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Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by ac29 »

schrodinger wrote: post #360
ryandrake wrote: post #326

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If you zoom out and look at the trajectory release after release, all of these things are obviously coming. Every release we act surprised that it's slightly more difficult to run unsigned, un-notarized, un-sanctioned code, but somehow that Voice Of The Fanboy within us has us convinced that "surely this last change is where Apple will draw the line and stop!"

dev machines are their bread and butter though! if they were going to have done this and merge iOS and macOS, I think they'd (stupidly) have done so.

Mac isnt even 10% of their revenue, and my guess is developers on Mac are maybe a percent or two at most.

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by atonse »

nottorp wrote: post #270
atonse wrote: post #81

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I disagree. I like all the privacy protections that Safari gives me as a user. And the safari team seems thoughtful (like the other browser teams) in how they consider features to implement. In fact, I'd like MORE competition in the space, and not having one privacy-addicted company dominating the browser market. Even as a web developer, I haven't encountered enough issues with Safari to warrant that view and what it…

> I like all the privacy protections that Safari gives me as a user. ... compared to Chrome, right? Not to Firefox with uBlock Origin and Facebook and Google containers ...

Yeah compared to Chrome.

I do like and respect Firefox but it’s hard to take them too seriously as a separate competitor if all their revenue comes from Google.

But what choice do they have?

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by int_19h »

tivert wrote: post #215
jwells89 wrote: post #192

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It makes sense if one considers the angle of how single-key shortcuts are much more disaster-prone. For example, if the user has a large number of files selected and accidentally triggers the open shortcut by hitting enter, their computer is going to be stuck spinning its wheels for a while (the more files involved and the heavier the applications they open in, the worse it'll be) unless they force restart. Involving…

> It makes sense if one considers the angle of how single-key shortcuts are much more disaster-prone. > ... > Most Mac shortcuts seem to follow this, with those that are single-key by default doing relatively harmless and easily reversible things. The enter-to-rename behavior has been in Mac OS since near the beginning, when versions were just named something like "System N.M"). IIRC, I've heard they had very detaile…

http://interface.free.fr/Archives/Apple_HIGuidelines.pdf

(you can compare to the current ones and similar docs for other platforms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_interface_guidelines)

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by OJFord »

ezfe wrote: post #397
gorkish wrote: post #339

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Do you still have to quit and restart the entire application after you give the permission? Holy shit mac users are gonna become a meme in meetings. MacOS is turning into quite the poo log lately. I respect that Apple has every right to completely destroy the legacy of the Macintosh, but they are slow playing it so that it's just a little bit better than the alternatives. The end result is my life gets just a little…

That requirement doesn't apply to most apps even though it says it does. Zoom/Teams/Slack all pick up the permissions immediately.

Slack seems to randomly lose microphone access (whether permissions or not) requiring restart anyway, so doesn't really help.

And unless that's really recent, no, I have colleagues drop out of Teams meetings to enable microphone or screen sharing access all the time.

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by atonse »

chrisweekly wrote: post #262
torstenvl wrote: post #40

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I don't know which ones you've tried, but the most popular ones (Magnet and Rectangle) have worked perfectly for me for years. I routinely forget that I have Rectangle installed.

I've been happy with Divvy for many years. It's not autotiling but the one-time config setup is intuitive after which my kbd shortcuts put things exactly where I want em, so I hardly ever think about it.

I’ve used both Divvy and Magnet over the years and they both worked well.

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by ilrwbwrkhv »

ericol wrote: post #267
sunny_sigara wrote: post #209

Most annoying problems so far.. 1. Screen-recording permission once every week ? 2. No more sudo spctl —master-disable. Alternative way is bit complicated. 2. No more control+ click to bypass gatekeeper. 3. Why tcutil reset Accessibility not working for a specific app? It works for “All” . 4. Script to convert NSURL node ref url to posix url not working. 5. Normal usb Mouse pointer acceleration is not smooth. May be…

Thank you for this. I'm not an advanced user but I do use some advanced features, and having to fight the OS in order for it to make what I want is not in my list of desirable "features". Will delay this update as long as possible.

> macOS Sequoia, the latest version of the world’s most advanced desktop operating system.

From their opening sentence in that press release. Lol.

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by makeitdouble »

drexlspivey wrote: post #392
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #332

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lets stop pretending this is anything other than trying to make apps that don't pay $100 a year feel scary.

Don't Windows do the same? I feel like every single program I run, signed or unsigned, a dialogue pops up where I have to give permission.

This change is about macos removing the pop up altogether so you need to go dig into the settings to give permission.

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by semiquaver »

nailer wrote: post #335
sunny_sigara wrote: post #209

Most annoying problems so far.. 1. Screen-recording permission once every week ? 2. No more sudo spctl —master-disable. Alternative way is bit complicated. 2. No more control+ click to bypass gatekeeper. 3. Why tcutil reset Accessibility not working for a specific app? It works for “All” . 4. Script to convert NSURL node ref url to posix url not working. 5. Normal usb Mouse pointer acceleration is not smooth. May be…

Is there some way to get things like strace working? Recently it's got weird and strange with the OS protecting me from myself. Or content makers from me breaking their DRM. Or something. Some app tries to open a file and fails. Doesn't tell me what the file name is. I just want to see the open() call.

Presumably you mean dtrace? strace is a Linux thing. dtrace should still work but you need to disable SIP first.

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by samtheprogram »

mort96 wrote: post #362
simonask wrote: post #345

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Really? This is _huge_ to you? How many unsigned apps are you downloading and running? This is one of those features where the benefits seem to very obviously outweigh the drawbacks. 99.9% of users just aren't running unsigned software, so the moment that happens, it is most certainly malware. If you're developing software yourself, this isn't an issue either, since all the relevant toolchains, debuggers, etc., work…

> How many unsigned apps are you downloading and running? For me, quite a few? Internal tools at work, open source projects which publish builds on their github, that sort of stuff. (And no, paying Apple a yearly subscription for the privilege of letting users run an app is not a reasonable expectation of small open source projects)

Yeah, but you only need to approve an app once. I think I Ctrl+Open an app like once a quarter on average, sometimes going most of a year. This really isn't a big deal.
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