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Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by adastra22 »

IshKebab wrote: post #280
adastra22 wrote: post #272

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Anything you compile on your own system you can run. This only affects downloaded binaries.

Thanks for confirming the nightmare.

Care to explain the nightmare to someone who seriously doesn't get it?

I can run any open-source software I want. Other people can't run my precompiled binaries unless I opt into an attestation system that lets the OS respond to and pre-emptively block binaries from developers found to be issuing malware. Open source is unaffected.

I seriously fail to see what is wrong here.

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by Elidrake24 »

gorkish wrote: post #339
kemayo wrote: post #288

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> 1. Screen-recording permission once every week ? Every month. (Which is still annoying, but not the raw level of frustration that weekly would be.)

Do you still have to quit and restart the entire application after you give the permission? Holy shit mac users are gonna become a meme in meetings. MacOS is turning into quite the poo log lately. I respect that Apple has every right to completely destroy the legacy of the Macintosh, but they are slow playing it so that it's just a little bit better than the alternatives. The end result is my life gets just a little…

You do not, providing you have given permission previously. Most Video Conferencing solutions have you test your hardware prior to joining a call, so shouldn't be an invasive issue.

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by xyst »

Ah yes, another year of “what will Apple break in my workflow this time” tradition.

I can’t recall the last time I upgraded immediately. Maybe 2018? Been waiting for minor and patch releases of the bug ridden OS before upgrading myself (if personal device is eligible)

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by schrodinger »

wpm wrote: post #320
weaksauce wrote: post #265

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at least it's still possible (and maybe more accessible) if not a bit more inconvenient. the ctrl-click thing was kinda a hidden feature.

Precisely the kind of hidden feature that makes it easy for power users to bypass the "rules" Apple imposes on the platform, while still making it highly likely every day users won't know how to bypass the rules meant to protect them. More and more, I find that these sorts of "we know best" attitudes towards security utterly distasteful and the total opposite of empowering. Infantilizing, more like.

I want that for my mom on her macbook pro. had an ipad, prefers laptop form factor.

What I'd like is upon setup it asks if this is a dev machine, and change the preferences.

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by ArlenBales »

It's been awhile since I've done a clean install, and my MacBook feels a little crusty/bloated with stuff so I think it's about time. What's the recommended process these days for a direct clean install?

If I factory reset my MacBook Pro M1 it'll go back to Ventura, then I have to manually upgrade to Sequoia.

I asked ChatGPT and it suggested I create a bootable USB drive install media for Sequoia instead (after downloading Sequoia from the app store):

`sudo /Applications/Install\ macOS\ Sequoia.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia --volume /Volumes/MyVolume`

That seems a cleaner and more direct solution. Can anyone verify this works without issues? (I'll probably do this over the weekend)

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by adastra22 »

ryandrake wrote: post #341
steve_adams_86 wrote: post #291

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I mean, you can download source if you want to run it. It isn’t a complete nightmare yet. I think we’re still in a grey area. This will help some people still, though it’ll definitely hinder others (myself included). Once you need to be in the apple developer program to build and run from source or something, that’ll be a legitimate nightmare. But we’re nowhere near that yet.

> Once you need to be in the apple developer program to build and run from source or something, that’ll be a legitimate nightmare. But we’re nowhere near that yet. When Quarantine was released in Leopard, and Gatekeeper in Lion, and System Integrity Protection in El Capitan, and then "Allow from Anywhere" was removed as an option in Sierra... Each time, people were saying similar things. "Yea, it's bad, and it's gett…

To me these are clear security improvements; things are not getting worse. And there is absolutely no reason to think they'll be dropping support for endusers running their own compiled software.

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by simonask »

chongli wrote: post #333
user3939382 wrote: post #252

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The way it's even implemented now is like the nightmare realized from everything Richard Stallman warned about for decades. Especially for non-technical users, they've practically implemented a system where Apple decides what software you are and aren't allowed to run on your own computer. They can muddy the issue by claiming it's for safety/security but I don't buy it. They could have made the override still clear b…

Especially for non-technical users, they've practically implemented a system where Apple decides what software you are and aren't allowed to run on your own computer. For non-technical users the choice is simple: either Apple decides what is allowed to run on their computer or cybercriminals do. After years of getting burned, non-technical users made their choice. I think it was the right one but the jury's still out…

Also, let's not fool ourselves. I'm not sure even most technical people running macOS or Linux would know if they had malware running. I probably wouldn't. It's not like antivirus is commonplace on those platforms.

The notion that you can reasonably have knowledge of and control over all the software that is actually running on your machine has not been realistic for decades.

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by adastra22 »

skrrtww wrote: post #299
steve_adams_86 wrote: post #291

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I mean, you can download source if you want to run it. It isn’t a complete nightmare yet. I think we’re still in a grey area. This will help some people still, though it’ll definitely hinder others (myself included). Once you need to be in the apple developer program to build and run from source or something, that’ll be a legitimate nightmare. But we’re nowhere near that yet.

> Once you need to be in the apple developer program to build and run from source or something, that’ll be a legitimate nightmare. But we’re nowhere near that yet. This is the case for building and running things with restricted entitlements and system extensions. Unless you disable system integrity protection entirely, which locks you out of your purchased App Store software, DRM content, etc.

You can no longer disable system integrity protection.

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by wpm »

quotemstr wrote: post #298
ithkuil wrote: post #101

looking forward to use userspace filesystems with fskit !

What does fskit do better than MacFUSE?

Not require a third-party kernel extension.

Apple is generally much better at development in their kernel, and more judicious about keeping it functional, than other developers.

Re: macOS Sequoia is available today

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Post by schrodinger »

ryandrake wrote: post #326
api wrote: post #300

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That's when I think about jumping ship. If they require the App Store that's the end.

If you zoom out and look at the trajectory release after release, all of these things are obviously coming. Every release we act surprised that it's slightly more difficult to run unsigned, un-notarized, un-sanctioned code, but somehow that Voice Of The Fanboy within us has us convinced that "surely this last change is where Apple will draw the line and stop!"

dev machines are their bread and butter though! if they were going to have done this and merge iOS and macOS, I think they'd (stupidly) have done so.
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