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Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by CSMastermind »

elzbardico wrote: post #72

People falling in the ages old trap of antropormophizing Oracle executives.

> Do not fall into the trap of anthropomorphising Larry Ellison. You need to think of Larry Ellison the way you think of a lawnmower. You don't anthropomorphize your lawnmower, the lawnmower just mows the lawn, you stick your hand in there and it'll chop it off, the end. You don't think 'oh, the lawnmower hates me' -- lawnmower doesn't give a shit about you, lawnmower can't hate you. Don't anthropomorphize the lawnmower. Don't fall into that trap about Oracle. — Brian Cantrill (https://youtu.be/-zRN7XLCRhc?t=33m1s)

For those unfamiliar. Worth a watch.

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by pimlottc »

kragen wrote: post #68

i don't think oracle does anything in order to earn goodwill or because it's the right thing. they're structurally immune to moral suasion. don't forget that oracle was the company that sued google for the independent reimplementation of java they used in android. if you want oracle to do something, you either need to offer them a lot of money or level an extremely credible, well-financed legal threat at them as agum…

Most /populous/ island is what I presume you mean.

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by verandaguy »

kragen wrote: post #68

i don't think oracle does anything in order to earn goodwill or because it's the right thing. they're structurally immune to moral suasion. don't forget that oracle was the company that sued google for the independent reimplementation of java they used in android. if you want oracle to do something, you either need to offer them a lot of money or level an extremely credible, well-financed legal threat at them as agum…

"Don't anthropomorphise the lawnmower[0]"

— Brian Cantrill on Larry Ellison, USENIX 2011

  [0] https://youtu.be/-zRN7XLCRhc?feature=shared&t=2115

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

johannes1234321 wrote: post #64
sigzero wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing better about "JS" over "JavaScript".

"JavaSciript" implies it's some scripting language related to Java, which was originally an idea, where it was meant to control Java Applets. But that is not a thing anymore. Thus the name makes no sense. "JS" is just a name only conflicting with my initials.

but "JS" implies it is some sort of amalgam of the J and S programming languages - or it doesn't and probably the Java implication doesn't exist anymore either - who really, on hearing the name in a modern context is going to think "hey, it must be a scripting version of that one really old programming language granddad in the office is always reminiscing about"?

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by yarg »

kragen wrote: post #68

i don't think oracle does anything in order to earn goodwill or because it's the right thing. they're structurally immune to moral suasion. don't forget that oracle was the company that sued google for the independent reimplementation of java they used in android. if you want oracle to do something, you either need to offer them a lot of money or level an extremely credible, well-financed legal threat at them as agum…

It wasn't really a java implementation - they used the APIs, but broke compatibility.

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by TeaVMFan »

johannes1234321 wrote: post #65
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is this really so? […] I have the feeling this is 'popular' because there are no alternatives I think it's pretty clear that JavaScript is the most popular one. And yes, it's popular because in it's space it's without alternatives. But so was C for many environments. We can judge if that's fair or unfair, but it does not change the situation we have.

Well, there are alternatives. Many people user TypeScript (which then is compiled to JavaScript) or some other alternative. JavaScript is just a compiler artifact format.

With TeaVM you can compile Java to JavaScript and run it in the browser again. We've come full circle. https://teavm.org/

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by [deleted] »

verandaguy wrote: post #94
kragen wrote: post #68

i don't think oracle does anything in order to earn goodwill or because it's the right thing. they're structurally immune to moral suasion. don't forget that oracle was the company that sued google for the independent reimplementation of java they used in android. if you want oracle to do something, you either need to offer them a lot of money or level an extremely credible, well-financed legal threat at them as agum…

"Don't anthropomorphise the lawnmower[0]" — Brian Cantrill on Larry Ellison, USENIX 2011 [0] https://youtu.be/-zRN7XLCRhc?feature=shared&t=2115

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Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by jay-barronville »

Oracle executives are scheduling a meeting right now just to read this letter together and laugh at it.

All jokes aside though, they don’t care, and frankly speaking, despite how much sense it makes for them to release the trademark, they have no reason to care.

To seriously move the needle on this issue, you need deep pockets and lawyers.

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by agumonkey »

kragen wrote: post #70
agumonkey wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Makes me wonder if there are rules to use area names for your brands. Can I start Tennesseescript ?

this is an interesting angle. maybe the js luminaries signing this open letter can get support from the government in jakarta. i didn't realize this, but a hundred and fifty-six million people live in literal java

early adopters of java-RT
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