What issues is this causing among developers? I personally think JS should be sunsetted and spun off as a set of 2nd gen languages like typescript and rust and Ecma. It is clear that Oracle is not working on JS. The browsers are. The w3c is(?). Let them coalesce onto a spin off version. Like WebScript.
Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript
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Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript
#62> JavaScript is the world’s most popular programming language Is this really so? I have the feeling this is 'popular' because there are no alternatives. Web is popular, this is just an accompanying disaster. There was an argument about fragmentation so people didn't want more things as option. As an answer to that there were many (?) attempts to solve problems that come with JavaScript for years, anybody remember cof…
In the GitHub [1] and TIOBE [2] language stats, Javascript is NOT the most popular language. [1] https://madnight.github.io/githut/#/pull_requests/2024/1 [2] https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/
Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Regardless, JavaScript is now much larger than Java Curious, but in what way? Java still drive lots of enterprise and banks, and I cant' say I've seen any Node.js in the backend at any of these places.
JavaScript is the world's most popular programming language. https://www.statista.com/statistics/793628/worldwide-develop...
That graph can't be right. Everyone knows it's a toss-up between Rust and Clojure. :)
Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript
#64This is a stupid non-issue. You can go ahead and call it JavaScript despite what Oracle does or doesn't say. Better yet, though: don't call it JavaScript—call it JS. "JavaScript" is and always was a dumb name. "JS" is not only fine, but better—and not because "JS" is particularly good, but because "JavaScript" itself isn't exactly hard to beat. The only thing left to do is for the spec authors (which includes signato…
There is nothing better about "JS" over "JavaScript".
"JavaSciript" implies it's some scripting language related to Java, which was originally an idea, where it was meant to control Java Applets. But that is not a thing anymore. Thus the name makes no sense. "JS" is just a name only conflicting with my initials.
Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript
#65> JavaScript is the world’s most popular programming language Is this really so? I have the feeling this is 'popular' because there are no alternatives. Web is popular, this is just an accompanying disaster. There was an argument about fragmentation so people didn't want more things as option. As an answer to that there were many (?) attempts to solve problems that come with JavaScript for years, anybody remember cof…
> Is this really so? […] I have the feeling this is 'popular' because there are no alternatives I think it's pretty clear that JavaScript is the most popular one. And yes, it's popular because in it's space it's without alternatives. But so was C for many environments. We can judge if that's fair or unfair, but it does not change the situation we have.
Well, there are alternatives. Many people user TypeScript (which then is compiled to JavaScript) or some other alternative. JavaScript is just a compiler artifact format.
Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript
#66Maybe it's time to stop caring about such things entirely.
Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript
#67This is a stupid non-issue. You can go ahead and call it JavaScript despite what Oracle does or doesn't say. Better yet, though: don't call it JavaScript—call it JS. "JavaScript" is and always was a dumb name. "JS" is not only fine, but better—and not because "JS" is particularly good, but because "JavaScript" itself isn't exactly hard to beat. The only thing left to do is for the spec authors (which includes signato…
Makes me wonder if there are rules to use area names for your brands. Can I start Tennesseescript ?
Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript
#68i don't think oracle does anything in order to earn goodwill or because it's the right thing. they're structurally immune to moral suasion. don't forget that oracle was the company that sued google for the independent reimplementation of java they used in android. if you want oracle to do something, you either need to offer them a lot of money or level an extremely credible, well-financed legal threat at them
as agumonkey implicitly points out in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41559110, though, 'java' is the name of the world's most popular island. i wonder if the indonesian government could be persuaded to support the trademark revocation
Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript
#69This is a stupid non-issue. You can go ahead and call it JavaScript despite what Oracle does or doesn't say. Better yet, though: don't call it JavaScript—call it JS. "JavaScript" is and always was a dumb name. "JS" is not only fine, but better—and not because "JS" is particularly good, but because "JavaScript" itself isn't exactly hard to beat. The only thing left to do is for the spec authors (which includes signato…
There is nothing better about "JS" over "JavaScript".
javascript is an oracle registered trademark, js isn't
Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript
#70This is a stupid non-issue. You can go ahead and call it JavaScript despite what Oracle does or doesn't say. Better yet, though: don't call it JavaScript—call it JS. "JavaScript" is and always was a dumb name. "JS" is not only fine, but better—and not because "JS" is particularly good, but because "JavaScript" itself isn't exactly hard to beat. The only thing left to do is for the spec authors (which includes signato…
Makes me wonder if there are rules to use area names for your brands. Can I start Tennesseescript ?
this is an interesting angle. maybe the js luminaries signing this open letter can get support from the government in jakarta. i didn't realize this, but a hundred and fifty-six million people live in literal java