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Craig Wright said he invented Bitcoin – lawyers proved him wrong

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Re: Craig Wright said he invented Bitcoin – lawyers proved him wrong

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Post by nullc »

hollerith wrote: post #14
brokensegue wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

he did try to gain financially. he forked bitcoin into Bitcoin Satoshi Vision.

He also started and made himself CEO of at least 3 cryptocurrency startups. One of those startups (nChain) tried extract patent licensing fees from other cryptocurrency players.

And the story allowed him to setup a Advanced Fee Fraud (nigerian scammer) style gift where his sponsors (e.g. Calvin Ayre) financed Wright to live a million dollar a year spending lifestyle for the last decade.

Not to mention the constant pump and dumps based on knowledge and control of good and bad news regarding his claims.

Re: Craig Wright said he invented Bitcoin – lawyers proved him wrong

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Post by nullc »

ionwake wrote: post #30
Simon_ORourke wrote: post #26

In fairness, anyone trying to convince me of any given fact of authorship could do well by leaving the bright red shirt and braces combo in the wardrobe.

I just don't understand why the guy claiming he is the creator and main programmer of a cutting edge anti-establishment crypto asset, would present himself as a suit and tie wearing business man who drinks champagne. Like wtf is going on.

He's trying to trigger some super-stimulus response in his targets based on being a rich supergenius entrepreneur. It's more effective than you might think.

The fact that his actions don't actually look much like the rich, a supergenuis, or an entrepreneur doesn't matter-- the target is people that don't actually know what that looks like.

It's the same reason that he claims to have earned more than 20 postgraduate degrees in the last three years alone. People with the relevant experience recognize that claim a lie or an admission of an unproductive mentally ill degree hoarding fake. But to his targets it signifies him as brilliant beyond any judgement or comparison, such that any red flag gets dismissed as an understandable quirk of a truly singular figure.

Re: Craig Wright said he invented Bitcoin – lawyers proved him wrong

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fecal_henge wrote: post #63
ydnaclementine wrote: post #8

Would be trivial to prove but he can't. Like saying you own a particular house but you don't have the key to the front door.

What if you lost the key?

What if you insisted you had the key and would prove that you were possibly the owner that way, but when the time came you setup a cardboard door in front of the real one and opened it using a bump key?

That's essentially what has happened with Wright. There are various pieces of evidence that, while not definitive in isolation would be persuasive, which he has insisted he could use to prove himself-- but when the time came he has just been caught faking it over and over again.

It's remarkable that he's been able to continue so long.

Re: Craig Wright said he invented Bitcoin – lawyers proved him wrong

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Post by nullc »

slater wrote: post #70
lightweb wrote: post #69

Craig is still Satoshi, no matter what a court has (temporarily) ordered him to state. Craig has followed the legal process 100% for years at this point, paid every (massive) court-ordered payment. The majority of cases feature him as defendant because Bitcoin ultimately threatens the establishment and must be controlled at any cost. This is the true source of the negative sentiment and constant attacks. He just toda…

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This poster isn't Craig. Almost everything Craig Wright writes is obvious ChatGPT output now.

Re: Craig Wright said he invented Bitcoin – lawyers proved him wrong

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Post by nullc »

jamesmotherway wrote: post #57
grahamj wrote: post #47

This man is a true hero …to liars everywhere. He lied, he forged documents, he filed suits. Most people will never go to these lengths to back up their lies, no matter how big the potential windfall. You have to respect the dedication if nothing else.

It's certainly interesting, but he's not a hero.

In his mind he is... from a 2016 publication:

‘Just out of interest,’ I said. ‘If you are a fraud ... How hard a fraud would it have been to perpetrate?’ ‘It would be the best one in human history,’ Craig said.

Re: Craig Wright said he invented Bitcoin – lawyers proved him wrong

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Post by nullc »

m463 wrote: post #75
ruthmarx wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess it's prudent to remember to always use Times New Roman when committing fraud.

Note that although the Roman Empire started around 27 BC, Times New Roman is only good for fraud going back to 1932 AD.

No match to Wright's documents from the neolithic era, discussed during the trial.

Re: Craig Wright said he invented Bitcoin – lawyers proved him wrong

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Post by ruthmarx »

nullc wrote: post #79
ruthmarx wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> forced dozens of people not living in UK to pay big money to defend themselves. At the risk of not being able to enjoy castles and blood pudding on vacation, couldn't they just ignore the suit?

Unfortunately most developed nations are generally willing to domesticate the foreign judgements of other developed nations. There are exceptions, e.g. the SPEECH ACT makes many UK defamation claims largely unenforceable in the US... but even if you think you'd be able to block enforcement in your own jurisdiction, if you are wrong you likely forfeit being able defend the claim on its merits. You also have to deal wi…

> Unfortunately most developed nations are generally willing to domesticate the foreign judgements of other developed nations. There are exceptions, e.g. the SPEECH ACT makes many UK defamation claims largely unenforceable in the US... but even if you think you'd be able to block enforcement in your own jurisdiction, if you are wrong you likely forfeit being able defend the claim on its merits.

I don't think this is true at all for the US, right? Not just because of the first amendment, but in general I don't think UK judgements are enforceable at all in the US. I wouldn't even think it would be enforceable in commonwealth countries.

Do you have any examples of UK judgements such as those we are discussing being enforced in any of the five eyes countries aside from the UK?

Re: Craig Wright said he invented Bitcoin – lawyers proved him wrong

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Post by nullc »

ruthmarx wrote: post #88
nullc wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately most developed nations are generally willing to domesticate the foreign judgements of other developed nations. There are exceptions, e.g. the SPEECH ACT makes many UK defamation claims largely unenforceable in the US... but even if you think you'd be able to block enforcement in your own jurisdiction, if you are wrong you likely forfeit being able defend the claim on its merits. You also have to deal wi…

> Unfortunately most developed nations are generally willing to domesticate the foreign judgements of other developed nations. There are exceptions, e.g. the SPEECH ACT makes many UK defamation claims largely unenforceable in the US... but even if you think you'd be able to block enforcement in your own jurisdiction, if you are wrong you likely forfeit being able defend the claim on its merits. I don't think this is…

There are mmmmmany such examples. The term, as I mentioned, is domesticating the judgement. In California the primary governing law is https://law.justia.com/codes/california/2009/ccp/1713-1724.h... (though there is similar/equivalent statute in most? all? other states) -- there are other laws for non-monetary damages though non-US non-monetary relief may be hard to domesticate because we generally don't do specific performance but many other jurisdictions do. Wikipedia on the subject is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enforcement_of_foreign_judgmen...

If you look at the CA law as an example you can see there are a number of reasons to fight the domestication of a judgement, some quite powerful. But they don't replace the value in fighting a case on its merits that ought to be a slam dunk on its merits.

In our case specifically not all of the defendants were in the US either, some were in locations where enforcement may be even harder to prevent.

Re: Craig Wright said he invented Bitcoin – lawyers proved him wrong

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Post by tim333 »

nullc wrote: post #78
tim333 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that was a different court case. Wright has been involved in several.

You're both right and wrong. Here is a summary of cases recently at play. 1. Wright defamation lawsuit against a podcaster. (UK) 2. Wright defamation lawsuit against a bitcoin fan. (UK) 3. Bitcoin fan's declaratory judgement claim over wright's threats of defamation litigation (the case above). (Norway) 4. Wright lawsuit against Bitcoin.org for copyright infringement for distributing the Bitcoin whitepaper (UK). 5. W…

Gosh what a mess. Good luck. You can see why the real Satoshi would want to remain anonymous so as to avoid being involved in similar stuff.
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