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Microsoft's 'Recall' feature can't be uninstalled after all

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Re: Microsoft's 'Recall' feature can't be uninstalled after all

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Post by zamadatix »

lupusreal wrote: post #239
dylan604 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Linux actually is good enough now. You say this like there is one Linux that people can use. Instead, it is fragmented to hell and back with various distros. Since it's a replacement for Windows, a GUI will be needed. There's more than one of those as well. So now, some one needs to go down that rabbit hole of trying to decide which distro/GUI will work for them. So a generic "use Linux" is not very helpful.

Decision paralysis is just a lame excuse people use to mask their real reason for not doing something. If you don't know enough about the choices to know which one you prefer, then either you simply chose any of them and subsequently have a more informed preference next time, or you chose none of them because you don't actually want the thing in the first place. I want ice cream and approach a vendor in the park. He…

I think the fragmentation problem extends well beyond "golly, which does my little head ever pick - they're all so perfectly usable I just don't know how to pick one!" and more to "well this one has Q, G, and Y... but that one has M, G, and Y but I can get Q if I tweak... and this one has M, G, Y, A, Q, Z but switching to that means I have to take its unrelated opinions on B, O, J, and N which I don't like" kind of scenario. There are plenty of flavors which can be acceptable but the premise is finding a flavor you want to use more. Without extreme ideological grounds on the level "Microsoft did ${thing} so I'm never touching them again" that becomes difficult to weigh.

I generally get away with a lot of use cases at work just saying "It's the front facing LTS of Ubuntu" and a lot of use cases at home just saying "Since it's just for me I'll customize Arch to what I need" but there are still plenty of scenarios, in each, just going with Windows makes a lot more sense (or sometimes is the only viable option, e.g. home HDR or work vendor application support).

Re: Microsoft's 'Recall' feature can't be uninstalled after all

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Post by skeaker »

NavinF wrote: post #52
dartharva wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So they say..

This is some serious tinfoil hattery. The data is not small. If it was being uploaded, you'd notice.

They have it in their absolute authority to push out a patch at any time that will make the data be uploaded, even if it isn't right now.

Re: Microsoft's 'Recall' feature can't be uninstalled after all

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Post by NikkiA »

NikkiA wrote: post #233
guidedlight wrote: post #7

Just like Microsoft told congress that Internet Explorer couldn’t be uninstalled from Windows 98, even though it didn’t come preinstalled with Windows 95.

To be fair to microsoft, Windows 95's desktop wasn't a web page*; Windows 98's was. * Although it was changed before windows 98 with "Plus 95!"

Self-correction: 'Windows Desktop Update' introduced the html based desktop, between Win95 OSR2 and Win95 OSR2.5, and also brought IE4.

Re: Microsoft's 'Recall' feature can't be uninstalled after all

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

varunnrao wrote: post #132
ezst wrote: post #60

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> I wish this were a more accessible path for non-tech people. It should be forbidden to ship PCs with Windows preinstalled, unless the user made it a conscious purchase decision (and offered to choose between several options). I suspect fewer and fewer users would be willing to fork hundreds of bucks for something that's objectively terrible (and only getting worse), tech literacy would only improve as a result. But…

> It should be forbidden to ship PCs with Windows preinstalled, unless the user made it a conscious purchase decision (and offered to choose between several options). I don't know where you're buying PCs but where I'm from there is always an option to buy the PC with FreeDOS at a discount of about ~$20-30 compared to the Windows version. Lately, I also see an increase in Ubuntu computers. > But then you can bet Micro…

And where are you buying PCs? Microsoft hostages want to know.

Re: Microsoft's 'Recall' feature can't be uninstalled after all

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

NavinF wrote: post #214
hnben wrote: post #195

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> This is some serious tinfoil hattery. microsoft regularly makes promises about privacy and telemetry, and regularly breaks them. They have been multiple law suites about this. In germany we say "Wo ein Trog ist, sammeln sich die Schweine", especially in the discussion around recall.

Have they lost any of those lawsuits?

So it only counts as going back on their word if they lose a lawsuit about it?

Re: Microsoft's 'Recall' feature can't be uninstalled after all

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Post by fennecbutt »

Wtf were they thinking. So now my computer has a nice up to 50gb repository is screenshots, sure "local ocr" but in the event someone can access that cache of screenshots they could for example watch me navigate my banking site/banking details etc. If someone uses the "show password" option then their password is exposed.

These tech exec idiots too rich now, the billions and desire for trillions has seeped into their shriveled brains.

Re: Microsoft's 'Recall' feature can't be uninstalled after all

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Post by fennecbutt »

ezst wrote: post #60
crabmusket wrote: post #46

I had to replace an aeging Windows laptop recently, and MS (and to a lesser extent Apple) going all-in on this kind of AI boondoggle finally gave me the shove I needed to go Linux-only (not dual booting as I'd done in the past, or WSL as I've been doing more recently). Framework made the landing soft, and I'm really excited to never look back. I wish this were a more accessible path for non-tech people.

> I wish this were a more accessible path for non-tech people. It should be forbidden to ship PCs with Windows preinstalled, unless the user made it a conscious purchase decision (and offered to choose between several options). I suspect fewer and fewer users would be willing to fork hundreds of bucks for something that's objectively terrible (and only getting worse), tech literacy would only improve as a result. But…

Shouldn't it therefore be forbidden to ship phones with android preinstalled? And also forbidden to ship phones with, gaaaasp, iOS preinstalled?

Re: Microsoft's 'Recall' feature can't be uninstalled after all

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Post by NavinF »

CatWChainsaw wrote: post #245
NavinF wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have they lost any of those lawsuits?

So it only counts as going back on their word if they lose a lawsuit about it?

Sure, or if there's any evidence that these aren't just BS allegations. The signal to noise ratio in this space is 0

Re: Microsoft's 'Recall' feature can't be uninstalled after all

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

NavinF wrote: post #248
CatWChainsaw wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it only counts as going back on their word if they lose a lawsuit about it?

Sure, or if there's any evidence that these aren't just BS allegations. The signal to noise ratio in this space is 0

So just as an example, Facebook's login page has "it's free and always will be" prominently displayed. Your logic is that if Facebook switches to a purely subscription model and avoids getting nailed in court for lying specifically (either through legal gymnastics or by settlement), then they didn't actually lie? And if Recall is "supposed" to be analyzed on-device but all your personal information somehow makes it to MS servers, they haven't lied to you unless someone successfully sues them in court?
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