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Microsoft's 'Recall' feature can't be uninstalled after all

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Re: Microsoft's 'Recall' feature can't be uninstalled after all

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Post by adgjlsfhk1 »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #123
adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #115

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doing this would destroy your file system performance (almost as much as using Windows). SSDs are much faster when not close to full since it let's them do things like use the unfilled capacity as an SLC write cache.

Do normal users require maximal SSD performance? So long as they can launch Chrome, the super app is going to handle all of their needs.

it depends what you mean. Pretty much no one cares about sequential speeds (unless you are copying 10s of gb it doesn't matter). OTOH, the latency of random 4k reads and writes matters a ton. Any time cached data is read/written (e.g. cookies/ UI settings etc), there are going to be a bunch of tiny disk operations will be performed.

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Post by martinsnow »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #157
stackghost wrote: post #139

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I'm not going to get any further into it, but the only one who mentioned "windows home" was the other poster, in an attempt at reductio ad absurdum. Whether or not "windows professional with group policies" constitutes "their own version of windows" as per bongodongobob is left as an exercise to the reader.

They said version of Windows, you said there's not a separate build Okay, it's the same operating system, but DoD managed devices have a different set of features and capabilities that are allowed to run on that device so I would contend that counts as a different "version", if the disagreement is semantic so be it

That's not a different version. The only different version that is known is the Chinese edition of windows, every other sku are as they're listed.

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Post by NavinF »

hnben wrote: post #195
NavinF wrote: post #52

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This is some serious tinfoil hattery. The data is not small. If it was being uploaded, you'd notice.

> This is some serious tinfoil hattery. microsoft regularly makes promises about privacy and telemetry, and regularly breaks them. They have been multiple law suites about this. In germany we say "Wo ein Trog ist, sammeln sich die Schweine", especially in the discussion around recall.

Have they lost any of those lawsuits?

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Post by varunnrao »

ezst wrote: post #206
varunnrao wrote: post #132

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> It should be forbidden to ship PCs with Windows preinstalled, unless the user made it a conscious purchase decision (and offered to choose between several options). I don't know where you're buying PCs but where I'm from there is always an option to buy the PC with FreeDOS at a discount of about ~$20-30 compared to the Windows version. Lately, I also see an increase in Ubuntu computers. > But then you can bet Micro…

> I don't know where you're buying PCs but where I'm from there is always an option to buy the PC with FreeDOS at a discount of about ~$20-30 compared to the Windows version. Lately, I also see an increase in Ubuntu computers. I'm not from there, it seems. The best you can do here is build your own PC, or go with a distributor (typically Dell/Lenovo) whose configuration allows opting-out of buying an OS. Needless to…

> It was to stress how the ludicrous track-record of Microsoft anticompetitive practices, establishing and sustaining a decades-long monopoly, barred non-expert and non-enthusiasts from experiencing (possibly favourable) alternatives.

My point served to counter this very statement.

There are alternatives (Linux, macOS, FreeBSD etc. etc.) but none are favorable like you say. A big part of why this is the excellent job that MSFT did as a technical force looking to consolidate Windows as the OS standard all those years ago. The efforts taken by them to ensure broad based application support and customer research and support on Windows has contributed to the continued perpetuation of their monopoly. Were they ever the most technically advanced option? No. Is any of their software products absolutely perfect and without deficiencies? Also no. And yet they are possible the leading software company in the world. This is NOT solely due to their anticompetitive practices. Saying so is a form of denial about the true state of things.

I gave Canonical and Ubuntu as an example of someone else who has tried to step in the breach and failed to force out MSFT as an alternative for non-experts and non-enthusiasts. Ubuntu and the FOSS community are many things but friendly to beginners and non-technical people is not one of them. There have been tremendous advances in the past decade but we're nowhere close to this being the Year of the Linux Desktop. The bottom line is that mainstream (i.e. non-technical and non-enthusiast) consumers will choose to put their money where they get the best value and that remains MSFT and Windows.

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Post by BizarroLand »

thefz wrote: post #181
ChicagoDave wrote: post #21

Literally no one wants this “feature”. Microsoft has lost their collective minds.

We can discuss how this has been implemented all day (and probably agree), but decades in IT have taught me that people use computers differently, especially now that the level of literacy needed to operate one is almost zero. I am good with terminal, browser, NP++ and few other programs, while some people don't even know the existence of a file system hierarchy, or want to touch things to interact with them instead…

Mr. Thefz, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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Post by yoyohello13 »

wkat4242 wrote: post #210
cmcaleer wrote: post #95

Unfortunate. Luckily, Windows itself can be removed. It's incredible how much Microsoft is resting on their laurels in terms of seeing Windows as insurmountable and so consumers must take whatever Microsoft decide to dish out. I would have been totally resigned to this fact a decade ago, but middle-school+ kids these days don't use Windows - they use Chromebooks. A huge minority of them use iPhones. Familiarity with…

> It's incredible how much Microsoft is resting on their laurels in terms of seeing Windows as insurmountable and so consumers must take whatever Microsoft decide to dish out. Well no, they actually believe people want this. Microsoft strongly believe in "Data Driven Everything". Of course here in Europe we look very different at this due to privacy concerns. But trying to explain that to the MS consultants I work wi…

I also find it funny (in a sad way) how Microsoft pushes telemetry so hard. Yet they have the buggiest most unusable software. All that data clearly isn't making their products better.

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Post by hiatus »

jorvi wrote: post #164
varunnrao wrote: post #132

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> It should be forbidden to ship PCs with Windows preinstalled, unless the user made it a conscious purchase decision (and offered to choose between several options). I don't know where you're buying PCs but where I'm from there is always an option to buy the PC with FreeDOS at a discount of about ~$20-30 compared to the Windows version. Lately, I also see an increase in Ubuntu computers. > But then you can bet Micro…

> MSFT have spent a lot of time, effort and dev years ensuring that their customers can run their software without breakage and downtime I don’t know about that, but they have spent a lot of hours making sure you can run .exe’s from 30 years back, which is wildly valuable to slow-moving corporations.

> I don’t know about that, but they have spent a lot of hours making sure you can run .exe’s from 30 years back, which is wildly valuable to slow-moving corporations.

Which ones? There are tools like dosbox to get old DOS programs running again.

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Post by reginald78 »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #217
wkat4242 wrote: post #210

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> It's incredible how much Microsoft is resting on their laurels in terms of seeing Windows as insurmountable and so consumers must take whatever Microsoft decide to dish out. Well no, they actually believe people want this. Microsoft strongly believe in "Data Driven Everything". Of course here in Europe we look very different at this due to privacy concerns. But trying to explain that to the MS consultants I work wi…

I also find it funny (in a sad way) how Microsoft pushes telemetry so hard. Yet they have the buggiest most unusable software. All that data clearly isn't making their products better.

They use it to identify software you still use so they can use it as an insertion point of whatever new crap they're trying to push.

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Post by croutonwagon »

Dalewyn wrote: post #116
giancarlostoro wrote: post #41

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I don't trust them not to turn it back on (as happens to all sorts of features after a Windows update), and continue to install garbage I don't need or even wanted. I'm happy on POP_OS! and I'm not going back. Been on POP since January 18th of this year. I gave up on Microsoft when I realized Windows Defender will send over files to Microsoft it thinks are suspicious, and there's 0 audit trail for the files. For all…

>I don't trust them not to turn it back on Microsoft respects Group Policy because enterprise uses Group Policy.

Thats not always true. Just today my team was investigating why windows updates didnt install on server 2016 despite deadlines and specific updates GPO's set.

We did have some tweaks as an outcome. But overall these policies have been in place for years. And since 2012R2 and later there have been multiple instances where windows updates policies wont apply in lieu of say... "maintenance windows" features being added to windows, so it ignores policies centered around deadlines etc.

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