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Facebook scraped every Australian adult user's public posts to train AI

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Re: Facebook scraped every Australian adult user's public posts to train AI

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I am very likely in the minority here, but I think AI SHOULD be trained on everything that is in the public sphere. I'd be disappointed if it wasn't trained on everything they had access to. If it is trained on private information, then I would have issue with it.

Yet, you signed an EULA for every publicly available service that legally prevents you from doing anything the company doesn't want you to do. So why do you want them to be legally using your data without, while they explicitly deny you things like scraping data from their platform.

Re: Facebook scraped every Australian adult user's public posts to train AI

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The monsters!

Indeed, knowingly collecting and processing the data of children who cannot understand the implications nor consent to their data being used for commercial gain is monstrous.

No different that the rest of the bureaucracy they "live" in.

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Presumably “scraped” isnt the right term here. They already have the raw data, they Won’t be “scraping “ it from the website they’ll just be investing it from where they store it

Feels like they are scraping the near-empty jar of mayonnaise.

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> But not everyone has concern for them. They are actually quite uninteresting. Well, you certainly are.

From passionate love to complete disinterest in a matter seconds. Interesting. Admittedly, when you consider people as a technology, one does start to wonder what it would take to fix the glaring bugs. But then that questions if the technology provides enough value to bother with at all.

Yeah yeah, humans are silly broken machines, the universe is indifferent, you're very edgy and smart.

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This site is weird when you compare it to open source software projects and these same companies selling those as a service on their platforms it is again huge massive problem and exploitation... When the license explicitly allows that, without single legal question. I wonder if things would be different if software could be copied and then recreated by these models by the mega corps. Would there still be such push i…

The people arguing in favor of AI use are not in fact arguing for "an unlimited license to do whatever you want" so that solves that apparent hypocrisy nice and quick. Also your theoretical software cloner would also make clones of proprietary software, right? I think that would be welcomed just fine.

They're apparently arguing for the legal right to use all content on the internet to create a product that is commercial and competes with the original content.

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> "Women are oppressed in Iran. Well, that's just how Iran is. Just leave it if you don't want to be oppressed" Yea, and whatever is some way, is that way – "it is how it is, deal with it". It's an empty statement. No, because Iran can stop oppressing women and still exist as a functional country. oppressing women today is "how it is". The internet on the other hand is designed to be a system for the distribution of…

all received messages are copies of the original. a broadcast is a copy. language itself is an incessant copying. so it’s a truism to say that of the internet. and a generality that doesn’t apply to specifics. downloading cracked software is also copying, but this genus is irrelevant to its discussion. its morality is beside its being a copy, even though it is essential that it be a copy. likewise with other data. we…

yea so everybody can copy a book just like the internet and nobody is persecuted for memorizing it.

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The people arguing in favor of AI use are not in fact arguing for "an unlimited license to do whatever you want" so that solves that apparent hypocrisy nice and quick. Also your theoretical software cloner would also make clones of proprietary software, right? I think that would be welcomed just fine.

They're apparently arguing for the legal right to use all content on the internet to create a product that is commercial and competes with the original content.

As long as it's only borrowing very small amounts from any particular source work, I think it's fine for a new work to be commercial and compete with the originals.

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This is just copyright infringement reworded to pretend it's not. I own the things I write, and publishing it on the internet doesn't negate that. OpenAI doesn't have the right to claim it, no matter what they think, and neither does anyone else.

Firstly publishing something on Facebook explicitly gives them the right to "copy" it. It certainly gives them the right to exploit it (it's literally their business model.) Secondly, Facebook is behind a login, so it's not "public" in the way HN comments are public. You'd have gained more kudos had you argued that point. Thirdly this article I about MetaAI not OpenAI. So, no, OpenAI isn't claiming anything about you…

>Firstly publishing something on Facebook explicitly gives them the right to "copy" it. It certainly gives them the right to exploit it (it's literally their business model.)

This isn't necessarily true for a user content host. I haven't read Facebook's TOS, but some agreements restrict what the host can do with the users' content. Usually things like save content on servers, distribute it over the web in HTML pages to other users, and make copies for backups. This might encourage users to post poetry, comics, or stories without worrying about Facebook or Twitter selling their work in anthologies and keeping all the money.

>In school we read setwork books. We wrote essays, summaries, objections, theme analysis and so on. Some of my class went on to be writers, influenced by those works and that study.

Scholarly reports are explicitly covered under a Fair Use exception.

https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-fairuse.html

But also be careful not to anthropomorphize LLMs. Just because something produces content similar to what a human would make doesn't mean it should be treated as human in the law. Or any other way.

Re: Facebook scraped every Australian adult user's public posts to train AI

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They're apparently arguing for the legal right to use all content on the internet to create a product that is commercial and competes with the original content.

As long as it's only borrowing very small amounts from any particular source work, I think it's fine for a new work to be commercial and compete with the originals.

They ingested the whole work.
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