how is this even news? people getting outraged that data put in the public domain gets used buy someone... what world am I living in here?
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#223Presumably “scraped” isnt the right term here. They already have the raw data, they Won’t be “scraping “ it from the website they’ll just be investing it from where they store it
It’s interesting to think about what the right verb is.
I’d probably say Meta trained their models using all self-hosted, public AU citizen’s data.
But it doesn’t really sound as scary as “scraped” to non-technical users.
Re: Facebook scraped every Australian adult user's public posts to train AI
#224Presumably “scraped” isnt the right term here. They already have the raw data, they Won’t be “scraping “ it from the website they’ll just be investing it from where they store it
It’s interesting to think about what the right verb is. I’d probably say Meta trained their models using all self-hosted, public AU citizen’s data. But it doesn’t really sound as scary as “scraped” to non-technical users.
It does feel like scraped is being used for it's negative connotations.
Perhaps "consumed" would work just as well and be more accurate.
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> there's a pretty big difference between "Next.js is too bloated, you should use HTMX" and "so and so group of people are all _____ and they should all be ________, and oh, your mom sucks". Is there? Perhaps the trouble here is that your examples are too far apart to recognize how they compare? What if Facebook, instead, said "Fat workers are too bloated, you should hire skinny workers"? Or if HN said "so and so pro…
> Is there? The difference is that talking about a framework with passion doesn't generally end up with severe real world consequences for other people. The difference between tech and people is that people are... people. They have lives, feelings, all those fun human things. Passionately talking about how X group of people should die (or ) is quite different than passionately talking about how Y framework is the wor…
> Generally the latter won't end up with someone getting stabbed.
A technology may not be literally stabbed, but I think it is fair to say that it very well may get stabbed metaphorically. It may even lead to the complete demise of the technology.
Passionately calling for the death of Next.js isn't really any different than calling for the death of a person, other than you may perceive it as being different if you hold people more dear than technology. But, in that case, that's just your arbitrary opinion that means nothing to anything other than you. There are no doubt some who would be more concerned about the loss of Next.js (bad example; nobody would miss Next.js, but you get the idea) than the loss of a person, which is equally valid. The true arbiter of truth, the universe, certainly doesn't have greater feelings towards one than the other.
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> Is there? The difference is that talking about a framework with passion doesn't generally end up with severe real world consequences for other people. The difference between tech and people is that people are... people. They have lives, feelings, all those fun human things. Passionately talking about how X group of people should die (or ) is quite different than passionately talking about how Y framework is the wor…
> Generally the latter won't end up with someone getting stabbed. A technology may not be literally stabbed, but I think it is fair to say that it very well may get stabbed metaphorically. It may even lead to the complete demise of the technology. Passionately calling for the death of Next.js isn't really any different than calling for the death of a person, other than you may perceive it as being different if you ho…
> Passionately calling for the death of Next.js isn't really any different than calling for the death of a person
I love these HN takes.
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> Generally the latter won't end up with someone getting stabbed. A technology may not be literally stabbed, but I think it is fair to say that it very well may get stabbed metaphorically. It may even lead to the complete demise of the technology. Passionately calling for the death of Next.js isn't really any different than calling for the death of a person, other than you may perceive it as being different if you ho…
> Passionately calling for the death of Next.js isn't really any different than calling for the death of a person I love these HN takes.
Of course. You clearly demonstrate an interest in people, so it plays to your passions. Thanks for sharing the obvious.
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> Passionately calling for the death of Next.js isn't really any different than calling for the death of a person I love these HN takes.
Of course. You clearly demonstrate an interest in people, so it plays to your passions. Thanks for sharing the obvious.
> But not everyone has concern for them. They are actually quite uninteresting.
Well, you certainly are.
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Of course. You clearly demonstrate an interest in people, so it plays to your passions. Thanks for sharing the obvious.
> But not everyone has concern for them. They are actually quite uninteresting. Well, you certainly are.
From passionate love to complete disinterest in a matter seconds. Interesting.
Admittedly, when you consider people as a technology, one does start to wonder what it would take to fix the glaring bugs. But then that questions if the technology provides enough value to bother with at all.
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You're probably among friends on this site, but outside tech coded spaces, most people understand that publicly available is not the same thing as an unlimited license to do whatever you want.
This site is weird when you compare it to open source software projects and these same companies selling those as a service on their platforms it is again huge massive problem and exploitation... When the license explicitly allows that, without single legal question. I wonder if things would be different if software could be copied and then recreated by these models by the mega corps. Would there still be such push i…
The people arguing in favor of AI use are not in fact arguing for "an unlimited license to do whatever you want" so that solves that apparent hypocrisy nice and quick.
Also your theoretical software cloner would also make clones of proprietary software, right? I think that would be welcomed just fine.