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Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Post by klausa »

stiray wrote: post #125
Wheaties466 wrote: post #122

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i can tell you that more often than not it will make 500% better espresso. I've owned 5 machines from varying price categories and the number of features you get with a machine around ~1200 gets you the most consistent experience. can you make a good shot of espresso with a ~250 euro machine? absolutely. can you make 2-5 back to back great shots? probably not. Can you use any bean you want and get a good shot? probab…

Should I mention audiophiles? The first feeling when you turn on a new system, it will never come back, until you get an arguably better system... And the rabbit hole is deep. How much did you pay for grinder? I think this is worth (for espresso lover) far more than 1250 euro machine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTFsBqhpLes&list=PLxz0FjZMVO...

I find it cute that you think people arguing that 1250E is not that much for a quality espresso machine don't know Hoffman's videos like the back of their hands :)

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Post by tssva »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #104
tssva wrote: post #83

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Plenty of people find them to be quite tasty and many people don't particularly like what you are calling good coffee. Coffee snobbery is like most snobbery it says more about the person being snobby.

I don't disagree about snobbery, but there's a huge difference between drinks such as instant coffee, drip-machine coffee and correctly brewed, fresh coffee. I can't bring myself to drink instant coffee any more and will choose any kind of tea in preference to having to suffer the insult of instant "coffee". Drip-machine coffee at least uses real coffee, but in most people's hands leads to a horribly over-extracted b…

For a lot of people it is a difference without a distinction. Different strokes for different folks.

I myself make my morning coffee in a moka pot and prefer it over for example a pour over coffee. I recently got a Ninja Luxe Cafe machine which I use for espresso and fast cold brew coffee drinks. It makes decent espresso and the money, time and mental energy for getting a slightly better espresso through a more expensive machine is just not worth it to me. At my gitlfriend's I drink Nespresso because that is what she has. It tastes fine. It is definitely not horrible as many above have claimed.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Post by tssva »

amelius wrote: post #93
tssva wrote: post #65

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People wouldn't use Nespresso pods if they found them to be horrible tasting, as you claim they are, no matter how convenient they are. They use them because they both enjoy the taste and find them convenient. Most people like the taste of Nespresso pods, k-cups, drip coffee and Starbucks. The sales of all 4 reflect that.

You can actually get accustomed to the bad taste. It happened to me. But then I started drinking coffee at work again and out went my nespresso machine.

Or you just have different tastes. Your taste isn't necessarily any better. It is just different. I like brussel sprouts and many find them disgusting. Doesn't mean my taste is better than theirs.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Post by tssva »

Arch-TK wrote: post #89
tssva wrote: post #82

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If it tastes good to them then it is good coffee. Could it just be case of different strokes for different folks and some wanting to feel superior?

Or they have no perspective. See my other comment.

That comment definitely makes me lean towards you just liking to feel superior.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Post by dfxm12 »

You can get a similar machine (Quick Mill Carola) for the same price, assembled. To scratch the hacker itch, you can get a much cheaper machine (Gaggia Classic Pro, Rancillio Silvia) and install a PID (a computer to control most of the brewing parameters).

I understand the appeal to "hackers", but if you just want coffee, there are more, proven reliable, less expensive, options.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Post by tssva »

Arch-TK wrote: post #88
tssva wrote: post #83

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Plenty of people find them to be quite tasty and many people don't particularly like what you are calling good coffee. Coffee snobbery is like most snobbery it says more about the person being snobby.

You don't know what I am calling a good coffee. I appreciate some people don't like particularly sour coffee because it's unusual for them but you can do a lot better than nespresso in the realm of that style of darker roast coffee too. It's really simple, people are happy with it because actually good coffee is so rare that they have nothing to compare against. I also doubt most of these people have ever drank a wel…

Or maybe they have tried it and don't like it. Maybe it is your taste that is screwed up and that is why you like light roast espresso. But either way even if Neapresso isn't the best coffee it isn't horrible.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Post by mauvehaus »

Bluecobra wrote: post #22
wkirby wrote: post #6

Love it. There’s a surprising amount of hackability in espresso machines — reminds me a lot of bicycles as an approachably fun tinkering project.

Do you know of any resources to help learn bicycles? I wish I could tune my own bicycle but can't seem to figure it out. I can build my own computer, change the oil in my car, paint a house, etc. but my bicycle always befuddles me.

Just about any book on the subject will be adequate to get the basics. There's also nearly nothing on a bicycle you can screw up in a way that you can't in-screw it up by turning the screw in the other direction (exception: wheel trueing, but even that you have to blow pretty bad to taco a rim). If you get into rebuilding mountain bike suspension, this doesn't apply, but that shouldn't be your first project anyway. Oh yeah, and hydraulic brakes probably also wouldn't be a great first project.

Get a book and start experimenting. Plan on re-doing some work.

Maybe find a way to hold the bike without investing in a work stand if you're over thirty. I've done a lot of work on the side of the road while bike touring, but that doesn't hold much appeal these days if I have another choice.

ETA: get a tube of bike grease from Park and a bottle of chain lube (Tri-Flow is fine, and so is everything else). Those'll cover your lubricant needs for years.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Post by amelius »

tssva wrote: post #133
amelius wrote: post #93

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You can actually get accustomed to the bad taste. It happened to me. But then I started drinking coffee at work again and out went my nespresso machine.

Or you just have different tastes. Your taste isn't necessarily any better. It is just different. I like brussel sprouts and many find them disgusting. Doesn't mean my taste is better than theirs.

No, I started drinking better coffee at work and hence found out that I was accustomed to drinking bad coffee.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Post by mauvehaus »

nick3443 wrote: post #28
Bluecobra wrote: post #22

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Do you know of any resources to help learn bicycles? I wish I could tune my own bicycle but can't seem to figure it out. I can build my own computer, change the oil in my car, paint a house, etc. but my bicycle always befuddles me.

Talk to the folks at your local bike shop, and they can 1) tell you what type of parts your bike has so you can find the right resources 2) refer you to local groups who work on bikes like "bike kitchens" 3) sell you parts and tools you may need. Also, friends who work on bikes are usually happy to help!

> Talk to the folks at your local bike shop...

Yes, definitely, but please remember that while we love talking bikes, if you make a habit of discussing the purchase of an $8 set of brake pads for 20 minutes, we'll mysteriously disappear the next time you walk in.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Post by tssva »

amelius wrote: post #138
tssva wrote: post #133

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Or you just have different tastes. Your taste isn't necessarily any better. It is just different. I like brussel sprouts and many find them disgusting. Doesn't mean my taste is better than theirs.

No, I started drinking better coffee at work and hence found out that I was accustomed to drinking bad coffee.

Or you just discovered you personally prefer that coffee. Just because that is your preference doesn't make someone else's preference bad.
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