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Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Post by benrutter »

eudes_ochoa wrote: post #84
benrutter wrote: post #51

This is very cool! Sidetrack: the website mentions "driving espresso innovation forwards". Is this a thing? I love coffee but mostly just use a french press or a moka pot (which are more "great old school tech" than "innovation")

Oh, yes. Look up the Decent DE1 to see what that means. I will drink moka-pot coffee if that's all that's available, but espresso is what I want to have most days. So I have a good enough grinder and an mid-range espresso machine. It isn't always a success. Sometimes it's sour, sometimes bitter, sometimes too weak. Most of the time I don't have a clue why, so I can't address anything in particular, I can only try cha…

This is a great rabbit hole!! Thanks for sharing

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

nikkwong wrote: post #58
wkat4242 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nespresso cups (even the aftermarket ones these days) are aluminium, not plastic.

The cup itself may be aluminum, but there is a plastic lining on the inside of the cup and on the inside of the lid that keeps the coffee from coming into direct contact with the aluminum--just like in canned foods

I hate to defend Nestlé, but they claim that the coating is shellac.

https://easytoespresso.com/are-nespresso-pods-safe/

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

nikkwong wrote: post #37
wkat4242 wrote: post #7

I love espresso. But I don't think I'd be interested in a DIY option. I tend to use Nespresso, especially now that the cups are simply available in the shop (and cheap aftermarket options), it's pretty perfect. I know the manual process is more environmentally friendly but when I wake up in the morning I have no headspace for fussing with coffee grinds. I just need good coffee right away. And I don't even own a car o…

To chime in on the litany of reasons why this is not a good idea--sifting boiling water through plastic is not safe for consumption as plastic nano and micro-particles will leech from the plastic into the liquid. This happens by design when using these pods, meaning you are getting a small serving of plastic every morning, alongside your coffee. What a moronic design.

I hate to defend Nestlé, but they claim that the coating is shellac.

https://easytoespresso.com/are-nespresso-pods-safe/

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

tssva wrote: post #83
Arch-TK wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They taste horrible compared to a good coffee, but they do taste better than crappy coffee shop espresso served in any country where espresso is not a common drink.

Plenty of people find them to be quite tasty and many people don't particularly like what you are calling good coffee. Coffee snobbery is like most snobbery it says more about the person being snobby.

I don't disagree about snobbery, but there's a huge difference between drinks such as instant coffee, drip-machine coffee and correctly brewed, fresh coffee.

I can't bring myself to drink instant coffee any more and will choose any kind of tea in preference to having to suffer the insult of instant "coffee". Drip-machine coffee at least uses real coffee, but in most people's hands leads to a horribly over-extracted brew and typically it's using supermarket-bought stale pre-ground coffee.

If you want to taste nice/good coffee, it can be made relatively cheaply. Buy some whole roasted beans (pre-ground coffee goes stale before it even hits the supermarket shelves), a decent hand burr grinder and an Aeropress device.

If you want to go for an electric bean grinder, ensure that it's a burr grinder as blade grinders are not suitable - they produce a wide variety of particle sizes which means that the small/dust bits get over-extracted and the larger particles are under-extracted. You could try sieving out the unwanted larger and smaller bits, but it's easier to just get a good grinder. For using an Aeropress, you can get away with a "cheaper" burr grinder, but if you want to make home espressos, then you probably want to be spending a LOT on a decent grinder as that will make the most difference to the quality of the espresso.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Post by hocuspocus »

Arch-TK wrote: post #74
hocuspocus wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't really seen those in the wild yet. On the other hand there are plenty of cheap original Nespresso machines pretty much everywhere in Switzerland. In some countries Nestlé was virtually giving them away around 2010~2015. Shortly after, some patents expired and third party brands started selling plastic capsules, and Nestlé had to fight back and make their machines work poorly with these! As far as I know all…

> As far as I know all patents have expired now Even the integrated gasket patent? There's still the proprietary secret of how they grind the coffee. Which nobody has successfully replicated meaning that all else being equal you still don't get exactly the same result. That being said, from my experience with genuine nespresso pods in genuine nespresso machines, they taste nothing like espresso and nothing like a goo…

Ah, good point, I agree regarding the taste, I enjoy proper espresso or go the other extreme (filter, pour-over).

Over extracted, pressurized espresso with capsules or even most semi-autos is disappointing.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Post by woodpanel »

wkat4242 wrote: post #7

I love espresso. But I don't think I'd be interested in a DIY option. I tend to use Nespresso, especially now that the cups are simply available in the shop (and cheap aftermarket options), it's pretty perfect. I know the manual process is more environmentally friendly but when I wake up in the morning I have no headspace for fussing with coffee grinds. I just need good coffee right away. And I don't even own a car o…

I would actually like to have a DIY nespresso machine or an option to this DIYespresso to allow for easily making use of a nespresso cup's content.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

Arch-TK wrote: post #75
nikkwong wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To chime in on the litany of reasons why this is not a good idea--sifting boiling water through plastic is not safe for consumption as plastic nano and micro-particles will leech from the plastic into the liquid. This happens by design when using these pods, meaning you are getting a small serving of plastic every morning, alongside your coffee. What a moronic design.

While it's likely not wrong that these things produce a bunch of suspended microplastics in your drink, we actually still don't know how unsafe microplastics are so I don't think you can outright state it is unsafe (not saying we shouldn't be worried about microplastics, I certainly am looking forward to more research on the topic to determine their impact because I am also worried, but it's just fear mongering to ca…

> we actually still don't know how unsafe microplastics are

That's the problem though. We're all test subjects for a worldwide experiment to put microplastices everywhere and see what happens. It seems incredibly unlikely that they don't disrupt various mechanisms in the environment and our bodies.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Post by stiray »

Would love to play with it but for this price they can keep it.

Dont understand me wrong, love the idea, but selling it for this price is just crazy.

Consumers should be more aware that if they can afford something, this doesnt mean it is worth buying it.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Post by karolist »

Arch-TK wrote: post #79
tssva wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based upon the sales of Nespresso machines and pods a lot of people seem to disagree with you regarding the taste.

People still buy supermarket instant. I think the problem is actually that people don't know what good coffee tastes like, nor do they care.

I'd argue most people don't even like coffee, they drink it for the caffeine.

Re: DiyPresso: DIY Espresso Machine

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Post by woodpanel »

Arch-TK wrote: post #79
tssva wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based upon the sales of Nespresso machines and pods a lot of people seem to disagree with you regarding the taste.

People still buy supermarket instant. I think the problem is actually that people don't know what good coffee tastes like, nor do they care.

After paying a monthly premium for my coffee-lifestyle of I'd say 100-200 EURs just by buying most premium sorts of beans for ages, not including drinking at cliché hip coffee bars of competition-winning baristas (face-tatooed mustaches are to be expected) and having endless discussions about taste and techniques with the average tech co-worker, I happily reverted to the one and only, un-hipersterable, supermarket instant.

I do know how good coffee tastes like and would say: It's not worth it.

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