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Data sleuths who spotted research misconduct cleared of defamation

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Re: Data sleuths who spotted research misconduct cleared of defamation

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Even if it is a Nobel prize winner like Jennifer Doudna?

Well the guy who invented lobotomy got one of those. Or the guy who invented microcredit. To not even venture in the peace nobel prizes area, where getting one is probably indicative of being evil.

I mean the Nobel committee gave the Peace prize to Kissinger. I’m not sure they’re a good bellwether for anything.

Re: Data sleuths who spotted research misconduct cleared of defamation

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I'm at the point where if I see it in a TED talk I'm assuming it's a bullshit grifter

Even if it is a Nobel prize winner like Jennifer Doudna?

It's hard to generalize. The whole field of behavioural intelligence has lots of fake/unrepeatable studies.

Even Kahneman, who got a Economics Nobel has this issue:

https://retractionwatch.com/2017/02/20/placed-much-faith-und...

Re: Data sleuths who spotted research misconduct cleared of defamation

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Well the guy who invented lobotomy got one of those. Or the guy who invented microcredit. To not even venture in the peace nobel prizes area, where getting one is probably indicative of being evil.

I mean the Nobel committee gave the Peace prize to Kissinger. I’m not sure they’re a good bellwether for anything.

Tom Lehrer famously retired when Kissinger got the peace prize declaring satire to be dead. The really funny one to me is they gave literature to Winston Churchill because they thought they probably couldn't give him peace, then when Kissinger came up they thought "Why not?"

Re: Data sleuths who spotted research misconduct cleared of defamation

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So what happens with these costs - surely the failed litigant should shoulder some if not all of the costs of defending this defamation claim?

To my (totally uninformed) eyes it looks like maybe this could count as a SLAPP suit [1], in which case there's a possbility for a counterclaim for legal costs. However, Massachusetts apparently has "much weaker anti-SLAPP laws" [2] (than California, in the context of the article)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_publ...

[2] https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/23841742/francesca-gino-d...

Re: Data sleuths who spotted research misconduct cleared of defamation

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So what happens with these costs - surely the failed litigant should shoulder some if not all of the costs of defending this defamation claim?

Often, no. There's a relevant specific fee-recovery mechanism [0] in some, not all, states, because this class of lawsuit acknowledged as being problematic, as being an effective way to silence 1A-protected speech. The deeper problem is that litigation is extraordinarily expensive in the US, and generically easy to abuse as an intimidation weapon—for rich entities to use against those who can't afford lawyers; or for fanatics to use against normal risk-averse people who don't want lawsuits–don't value whatever it is the fanatic is fanatic about, highly enough to go to court to argue it.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_publ...

Re: Data sleuths who spotted research misconduct cleared of defamation

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I saw that quote in the article but cannot find it in the ruling itself: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mad.259... It seems to be a quote from a London court ruling in 2010: https://www.bmj.com/content/340/bmj.c1895

It's mentioned around page 30-31: > Instead, this is a case where the trial of ideas plays out in the pages of peer > reviewed journals, and the scientific public sits as the jury.” (cleaned up)); Underwager v. Salter, > 22 F.3d 730, 736 (7th Cir. 1994) (affirming summary judgment against defamation claims and > stating that “[s]cientific controversies must be settled by the methods of science rather than by > the me…

Thanks! I don’t know why my search didn’t find that.

Re: Data sleuths who spotted research misconduct cleared of defamation

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Yes, that’s why the ruling is good for science. It would be a dark world if publishing statistical analysis opened you up to defamation

In the uk at least truth is not defense againts defamation. Beware if you live there.

The same in Germany.
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