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Playstation 5 Pro

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Re: Playstation 5 Pro

#121

A lot of people seem to be unhappy with the price? Especially if you want to have disc drive. As someone who played through many of current gen titles already, I don't see the appeal. Might be worth it still if you already own a PS5 that you can trade in. Shame there's no comparison on how PSSR differs from DLSS/FSR.

PS5 Slim trade-in value is already tanking because of the PS5 Pro, though [1].

[1] https://twitter.com/Jebailey/status/1833540904797528080

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

#122
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, however eventually XBox hardware will be a revamped version of Windows Media Center, and that will be as welcomed as XBox ONE original design as multimedia box was. By the way, Dave Cuttler at the end of his interview on Dave's Garage mentions Microsoft is running XBoxes on Azure with Linux for Microsoft's AI purposes, that is how much they care about XBox hardware and cloud gaming.

> however eventually XBox hardware will be a revamped version of Windows Media Center, and that will be as welcomed as XBox ONE original design as multimedia box was. I don't see any indication that they are going down that path. The decisions that made the Xbox One a media center instead of a focus on gaming was made by leaders that are not there. Phil Spensor came in to fix that problem. Nothing they have done rece…

The rumors is that is going to be Windows based, and have all kind of stores in it, XBox, Steam, Epic, whatever.

Basically PC in a box, in kiosk mode.

It is a bad thing, because those boxes are surely not improving the XBox Cloud streaming experience, which is quite famous for not being that great, with long waiting queues.

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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$700 and it doesn't even come with an optical drive, oof. The optical upgrade kit for the digital-only PS5 Slim is $80, so the Pro is probably going to be closer to $800 in practice unless you're already all-in on digital.

Asking this as a PC gamer who went fully digital ~15 years ago: why are optical drives such a big deal, is that because of buying/selling used games?

I think it’s due to “used games” market about 80%. Some people just like having physical media that can’t be taken away from them; others don’t care and are through with the game for a lifetime after they beat it/grow weary of it. I personally have tons of old games and kind of stopped buying new stuff after PS4. One day you’ll go to download “Gulliver’s Golden Adventure” for nostalgia and Steam will tell you to “fuck off, that game is gone”, but that won’t happen if you have it on vinyl

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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$700 and it doesn't even come with an optical drive, oof. The optical upgrade kit for the digital-only PS5 Slim is $80, so the Pro is probably going to be closer to $800 in practice unless you're already all-in on digital.

I'm shocked. 90% of my game library is physical. So if the console is priced at 799 € without a disc drive, and the drive costs an additional 149 €, that totals 948 € if I want to continue playing my existing disc collection. No, thanks!

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

#125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, could I interest you in a Nintendo Switch? Switch games still have markedly diverse graphic styles (and _great_ art direction).

Only because they are underpowered with old hardware. Just overclocking gives better performance but still dips below 60fps on first party titles. But they had to make those sacrifices because it's a portable console first with a tv dock. Nintendo always had slowdowns from the beginning with nes, SNES, N64. But these days it's just not acceptable to have those kinds of performance issues.

> But these days it's just not acceptable to have those kinds of performance issues.

Somebody show this guy the PS4 sales compared to the Switch. If you actually believe this, you won't believe your eyes.

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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I'm getting really tired of this "Pro" bullshit. The issue with the PlayStation 5 isn't the bloody specs, it the f-ing price. The PlayStation 5 Slim is $600 already, we don't need a $700 one (which it won't be, because that is US pricing and probably not including tax). Sony needs a $350 model, not this Pro nonsense. Who is the target audience for this?

Microsoft was upfront that they didn’t think a mid-gen price cut was in the cards, so here’s the series s, it’s what we can do and we’ll do it right now, etc. They were right and not only have prices not really come down, but in some ways they’ve increased. The unfortunate consequences of a post-Moores law reality. Like yeah nothing is getting 2x better for the same price even every 3-4 years anymore. Your expectatio…

Not just post-Moores, it sometimes feels like a reversal.

Look at high-end gaming PCs. Monster-sized GPUs and cases. CPUs with stupendous requirements for cooling. Insane power draws. The prediction for next gen (5000 series): significantly larger power draw still.

Things are not getting smaller and faster, they're getting bigger and hotter and more power hungry.

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

#127

I'm sure this will sell just fine, but in the history of consoles there has never been less incentive to upgrade. It just doesn't feel like the upgrade delivers anything tangible for the average person. Many games I want to play these days barely take full advantage of the base PS5, let alone needing more hardware. A lot of cheaper titles aren't even bothering to take advantage of the PS5 over the PS4. There are some…

You are grossly overestimating what PS5 can do in regards of 4k, let alone 8k (which nowadays is used by very small percentage of enthusiasts). 4k native is not something most of the modern releases target on PS5, perhaps in some specific moments when the resolution is dynamic and not much is happening on the screen. Or if you're playing at a locked 30 FPS, which is a major tradeoff.

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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post #106

I'm sure this will sell just fine, but in the history of consoles there has never been less incentive to upgrade. It just doesn't feel like the upgrade delivers anything tangible for the average person. Many games I want to play these days barely take full advantage of the base PS5, let alone needing more hardware. A lot of cheaper titles aren't even bothering to take advantage of the PS5 over the PS4. There are some…

> But I bet 99% of people wouldn't even be able to tell the difference in most real world situations unless they were staring at the two systems side by side with magnifying glasses I don't think this matters at all. The market of people who uses consoles + care about graphic fidelity / fps count are basically like the audiophile community today, eating up what the companies are pushing on them.

I know a lot of console fanatics like that and they all like to keep games on disc, shunning digital. The new ps doesn't seem to have an optical drive so I'm really not sure who they're aiming this at.

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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$700 and it doesn't even come with an optical drive, oof. The optical upgrade kit for the digital-only PS5 Slim is $80, so the Pro is probably going to be closer to $800 in practice unless you're already all-in on digital.

You are basically paying $250 extra for the GPU.

And the SSD.

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

#130

$700 and no disc drive? Yikes. I guess it makes sense when compared to the PS4 lineup cost wise, but usually when they launch the slims it drops the price to some degree. Doesn’t seem to be the case here.

They can't drop the price because they can't shrink the chips anymore like they used to do.
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