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Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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Post by yesimahuman »

sjnonweb wrote: post #44
yesimahuman wrote: post #19

Beyond the exclusives, if you're willing to spend this much for a playstation why not just spend a bit more for a nice PC? I have the PS5 but barely play it since the gaming experience on PC is just better and you have a lot more selection and can upgrade it piece by piece as needed over the years, which I'm finding I rarely need to do.

A similar performing 4070ti alone will cost $750, and thats just gpu. Including cpu, memory, storage it will be more than $1500.

Thanks for the downvotes for pointing out that, as part of the target market for this product, I scratch my head a bit as it touches more in the PC territory than cheaper consoles did in the past. If you bought both this and the PS5 you're already at ~$1200, and a great PC build can be had for close to that. I think it's totally legitimate to point out this starts to encroach on the pc's territory.

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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Post by paxys »

danudey wrote: post #38
jsheard wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Partly due to used games, but even when buying new it's often cheaper to buy physical than digital due to retailers undercutting each other, while the digital store strictly adheres to MSRP until the game has been out for a while.

Not just buying used games, but borrowing games as well. Being able to swap games with friends is a pretty compelling offer. (I'm all-digital and have been for the last nine years, but there are compelling reasons not to go that route)

Heck you can even borrow game disks from your local library.

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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Post by nerdjon »

ukuina wrote: post #81

The pricing feels like a direct response to Microsoft essentially exiting the console market.

Except Microsoft has said they have new Xbox hardware coming.

We really need to stop spreading this misinformation (and hyperbole) just because Microsoft is operating a different business model than Sony is.

I am not happy about the price either, but this generation has been weird with Microsoft and Sony not dropping their price and increasing prices in some locations. I doubt this has anything to do with Xbox.

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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Post by paxys »

StrLght wrote: post #17
jsheard wrote: post #5

$700 and it doesn't even come with an optical drive, oof. The optical upgrade kit for the digital-only PS5 Slim is $80, so the Pro is probably going to be closer to $800 in practice unless you're already all-in on digital.

Asking this as a PC gamer who went fully digital ~15 years ago: why are optical drives such a big deal, is that because of buying/selling used games?

Digital works on PC because there is competition. There are dozens of stores you can buy from, and the developer or publisher can also just sell games directly. On consoles Sony & Microsoft have a monopoly on distribution. So being able to buy/sell/borrow used disks is a huge money saver.

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

#105

Post by evilkorn »

WillAdams wrote: post #24
5350-uiop-1130 wrote: post #8

i realised recently that the transition to HD made everything look and sound the same to me. unlike the distinctive eras of the 90s, 80s, 70s...so on. and now with realistic graphics, even games are starting to all look the same to me. i feel that the limitation born art and era-specific traits of the pre-HD era have been lost. i just dont feel anything looking at these new games. but then i'm not young anymore.

Well, could I interest you in a Nintendo Switch? Switch games still have markedly diverse graphic styles (and _great_ art direction).

Only because they are underpowered with old hardware. Just overclocking gives better performance but still dips below 60fps on first party titles. But they had to make those sacrifices because it's a portable console first with a tv dock. Nintendo always had slowdowns from the beginning with nes, SNES, N64. But these days it's just not acceptable to have those kinds of performance issues.

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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Post by diggan »

ageitgey wrote: post #83

I'm sure this will sell just fine, but in the history of consoles there has never been less incentive to upgrade. It just doesn't feel like the upgrade delivers anything tangible for the average person. Many games I want to play these days barely take full advantage of the base PS5, let alone needing more hardware. A lot of cheaper titles aren't even bothering to take advantage of the PS5 over the PS4. There are some…

> But I bet 99% of people wouldn't even be able to tell the difference in most real world situations unless they were staring at the two systems side by side with magnifying glasses

I don't think this matters at all. The market of people who uses consoles + care about graphic fidelity / fps count are basically like the audiophile community today, eating up what the companies are pushing on them.

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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Post by yesimahuman »

dangus wrote: post #4

It is interesting but not surprising that it’s disc-optional with no pre-installed disc drive option available. Otherwise, in terms of specs and price, I am somewhat amazed that the console market is clinging on to life at this point. The PS5/Series generation pushed me to PC and I’m really not understanding the appeal of the consoles anymore beyond the convenience of not needing to do assembly. The consoles are just…

Lot of downvoting for having a different opinion in this thread. So people disagree with you and think that warrants a downvote? That's counter to the HN ethos.

I agree with you, don't need to buy new 2024 PC components to have a great gaming PC, that seems to be the counter argument here which just isn't the case

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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Post by paxys »

ageitgey wrote: post #83

I'm sure this will sell just fine, but in the history of consoles there has never been less incentive to upgrade. It just doesn't feel like the upgrade delivers anything tangible for the average person. Many games I want to play these days barely take full advantage of the base PS5, let alone needing more hardware. A lot of cheaper titles aren't even bothering to take advantage of the PS5 over the PS4. There are some…

I doubt they anyways expect the majority of existing PS5 owners to rush to upgrade. Mid cycle console releases are done for the enthusiast crowd and the holdovers from the last generation.

Re: Playstation 5 Pro

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Post by WillAdams »

evilkorn wrote: post #105
WillAdams wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, could I interest you in a Nintendo Switch? Switch games still have markedly diverse graphic styles (and _great_ art direction).

Only because they are underpowered with old hardware. Just overclocking gives better performance but still dips below 60fps on first party titles. But they had to make those sacrifices because it's a portable console first with a tv dock. Nintendo always had slowdowns from the beginning with nes, SNES, N64. But these days it's just not acceptable to have those kinds of performance issues.

My wallet and battery life thank Nintendo for these compromises.
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