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Re: Eric Schmidt's thoughts about Pakistan

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Post by omarqureshi » Fri, Jun 22, 2012, 7:42 PM UTC

obtu wrote: post #94

omarqureshi wrote: post #22

British Pakistani here. Schmidt has not seen Pakistan for what it really is - a cesspool of corruption and poorly educated people. Pakistan has two major problems. Primarily, education of the people ... what good is a democracy if people cannot understand the democratic system - nor see past the public visage and look deeply into what kind of person a political candidate is. This poor education leads Zardari (a corru…

> Nowhere else in the world would a criminal become the president of a nation. You're overstating it; Berlusconi is a counterexample.

I can't believe he slipped my mind. However some bunga bunga and a bit of fraud doesn't compare to killing your brother in law.

Re: Eric Schmidt's thoughts about Pakistan

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Post by kika » Fri, Jun 22, 2012, 8:27 PM UTC

slurgfest wrote: post #87

kleim wrote: post #70

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"Remember what Christians were doing 600 years ago? Inquisition, Crusades, etc" Yeah Christians did it 600 YEARS AGO. But islamic countries do that kind of horror nowadays and AFAIK they did not developed in a bubble, isolated from the other countries. So it is perfectly relevant to judge them. Human Rights are universal, not a simple "cultural standard".

Where are Muslim Crusades currently being waged? Remember that the Crusades were a huge undertaking involving many entire nations engaged in full scale war.

To run a crusade you need a target. All obvious targets for Muslim crusades either have the nukes, or rumored to have nukes or have friends with nukes. Bummer.

Re: Eric Schmidt's thoughts about Pakistan

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Post by white_devil » Fri, Jun 22, 2012, 8:35 PM UTC

_b8r0 wrote: post #90

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> I can't believe you're trying to defend this position. I'm really quite shocked. You may not realize it, but the main reason you're upset at asto is not sweeping unpleasant things under the rug of Political Correctness. Sadly, this is a very common phenomenon among white Western people.

I see where you're coming from but you're incorrect. It's not about sweeping things under the rug. It's the tarring of all 'muslim countries' (whatever that means) with the same brush, as though we ourselves in non 'muslim countries' don't have the same problems. It's the perpetuation of all muslims as evil savages that leads to the idea that they're somehow subhuman. Just because some of the 'other' may (or may not)…

> It's the perpetuation of all muslims as evil savages that leads to the idea that they're somehow subhuman.

Well they do keep burying their teenage daughters alive for showing too much skin or refusing an arranged marriage or whatever.

Don't tell me it's not all of them. It's just that a considerable part of them are insane savages completely incompatible with 2012.

It's alright for them to be a different color, wear different clothes and speak a foreign language, but it's most certainly Not OK to murder people in broad daylight over "insulting" The Religion Of Peace (tm).

Re: Eric Schmidt's thoughts about Pakistan

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Post by kika » Fri, Jun 22, 2012, 8:42 PM UTC

berntb wrote: post #60

kika wrote: post #37

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Please stop propaganda. There's no jail in France for the hidjab (or what this scarf is). It's a 150 euro fine. Not for wearing the hidjab, but for covering the face in public. Real jail time or corporal punishment is a different story, don't you agree? Let's say I had a few beers and took a leak on the street. Is there a difference between a few hundred bucks fine and having my weapon of crime chopped off? There's s…

Oh please, 600 years?! The difference is the modernisation. 150 years ago in Sweden we had blasphemy laws not much better than Pakistan today. But sure, you might come from some civilised place. :-)

I came from a very civilized place where a bunch of girls sang a song wearing masks in the cathedral (there were very few other people), recorded a video [1] without the sound and then put it on the youtube. They have been imprisoned without justice for 3 months and recently their stay was extended for another 2.

[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SPTBIJg5nw

Re: Eric Schmidt's thoughts about Pakistan

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Post by slurgfest » Fri, Jun 22, 2012, 9:14 PM UTC

kika wrote: post #102

slurgfest wrote: post #87

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Where are Muslim Crusades currently being waged? Remember that the Crusades were a huge undertaking involving many entire nations engaged in full scale war.

To run a crusade you need a target. All obvious targets for Muslim crusades either have the nukes, or rumored to have nukes or have friends with nukes. Bummer.

Even if that were not the case, and even if it were actually true that the majority of today's Muslims were in support of such adventures (let alone willing to die in the numbers that European crusaders did) ... Muslim countries are flat out too poor to dedicate the same percentage of GDP that European countries did to the Crusade. The ones which are less poor are making all their money by working with the West anyway.

Re: Eric Schmidt's thoughts about Pakistan

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Post by galadriel » Fri, Jun 22, 2012, 9:25 PM UTC

JabavuAdams wrote: post #100

nakkiel wrote: post #78

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In my opinion the "biggest terror sponsor" has to be the US and other "leading" European countries such as my own: France. All recent large-scale wars have been perpetrated by these countries and what's worse on the very name of freedom and for the ultimate good of human beings (except when it was a revenge, but I'd forgive America for that one quite easily even though it's one of the biggest recent mess). Ahmadineja…

> Nuclear power is like the instant disruption factor in the balance of power. I used to believe this, but now I think it's no longer true. It's a case of aspirant countries looking up to the nuclear powers, and drawing the wrong conclusions. Nuclear weapons are the end-product of a system and process. There's a notion that to surpass the master, you need to ask what the master sought, rather than copying what the ma…

If experience of India and Pakistan have to show anything, developing Nuclear Weapons is not a big deal, except when there are systematic attack against your infrastructure and scientists by foreign powers. Heck, I would wager that any decently educated engineers and physicist with government backing can build a nuclear bomb. The domain knowledge is not very exotic, either.

Re: Eric Schmidt's thoughts about Pakistan

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Post by berntb » Fri, Jun 22, 2012, 9:36 PM UTC

kika wrote: post #104

berntb wrote: post #60

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Oh please, 600 years?! The difference is the modernisation. 150 years ago in Sweden we had blasphemy laws not much better than Pakistan today. But sure, you might come from some civilised place. :-)

I came from a very civilized place where a bunch of girls sang a song wearing masks in the cathedral (there were very few other people), recorded a video [1] without the sound and then put it on the youtube. They have been imprisoned without justice for 3 months and recently their stay was extended for another 2. [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SPTBIJg5nw

I feel your pain.

Russia really has a wonder in intellectuals with science and art to give to the world -- I wish all your oil disappear, so there isn't anything for the politicians to steal anymore :-(

Besides, the problem there is hardly the cathedral, it is the opposition to your thieves of politicians.

Re: Eric Schmidt's thoughts about Pakistan

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Post by berntb » Fri, Jun 22, 2012, 9:43 PM UTC

JabavuAdams wrote: post #100

nakkiel wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my opinion the "biggest terror sponsor" has to be the US and other "leading" European countries such as my own: France. All recent large-scale wars have been perpetrated by these countries and what's worse on the very name of freedom and for the ultimate good of human beings (except when it was a revenge, but I'd forgive America for that one quite easily even though it's one of the biggest recent mess). Ahmadineja…

> Nuclear power is like the instant disruption factor in the balance of power. I used to believe this, but now I think it's no longer true. It's a case of aspirant countries looking up to the nuclear powers, and drawing the wrong conclusions. Nuclear weapons are the end-product of a system and process. There's a notion that to surpass the master, you need to ask what the master sought, rather than copying what the ma…

I think your logic misses he important factor here.

There must be some serious conflict: Juntas need external enemies, so opposition becomes treachery.

It is a pity, Iran would probably be a really cool place without the theocracy. I just hope those thieves don't get millions of Iranians killed before they are thrown out.

Re: Eric Schmidt's thoughts about Pakistan

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Post by kika » Fri, Jun 22, 2012, 10:35 PM UTC

berntb wrote: post #107

kika wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I came from a very civilized place where a bunch of girls sang a song wearing masks in the cathedral (there were very few other people), recorded a video [1] without the sound and then put it on the youtube. They have been imprisoned without justice for 3 months and recently their stay was extended for another 2. [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SPTBIJg5nw

I feel your pain. Russia really has a wonder in intellectuals with science and art to give to the world -- I wish all your oil disappear, so there isn't anything for the politicians to steal anymore :-( Besides, the problem there is hardly the cathedral, it is the opposition to your thieves of politicians.

s/has/had/g;

The problem is in both. Cathedral was used as a weapon of mass approval for the punishment. And it worked :-( I don't care much for politicians, they come and go, but when half of the population (I'm very conservative here) approves the injustice based on blasphemy, I lose the faith.

Re: Eric Schmidt's thoughts about Pakistan

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Post by kika » Fri, Jun 22, 2012, 10:45 PM UTC

slurgfest wrote: post #105

kika wrote: post #102

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To run a crusade you need a target. All obvious targets for Muslim crusades either have the nukes, or rumored to have nukes or have friends with nukes. Bummer.

Even if that were not the case, and even if it were actually true that the majority of today's Muslims were in support of such adventures (let alone willing to die in the numbers that European crusaders did) ... Muslim countries are flat out too poor to dedicate the same percentage of GDP that European countries did to the Crusade. The ones which are less poor are making all their money by working with the West anywa…

Agree in general, but I believe that if there was no (rumor of) nuke in Israel, they would have tried (again).

Another "positive" moment within the Muslim world itself is that Muslims are still happily killing each other (like Christians were doing a few centuries ago). Eventually they will stop doing this.