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Re: Cruise ships chopped in half are a license to print money

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Post by namibj »

giantg2 wrote: post #134
School-Cotton wrote: post #99

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There are plenty of jobs where it’s not like that. Of course it depends on the job, so this isn’t 100% guaranteed to be the case, but I find people who think they always have to be online are often just imagining that they have to because of anxiety, and if they just didn’t respond, nothing bad would happen to them.

I sort of agree. Like who is so important that their peer or superior can't handle issues if they're out? How do leaders see their business surviving if the person they're calling gets hit by a bus? But at the same time, it does seem that most tech jobs expect you to be available after hours for calls and extend that to vacation by default.

I'm Germany HR should be punishing managers for doing that, as a single call is basically directly an entire day of new vacation time, plus punitive damages for disturbing the employee. Of course employees who can't afford to bankroll the lawsuit tend to get shafted.

Re: Cruise ships chopped in half are a license to print money

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Post by ryandrake »

immibis wrote: post #128
ryandrake wrote: post #101

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It's also currently fashionable to describe any mixing of Western people/money/enterprise with the developing world as "colonial." I don't think many people actually think they're King George III as they enjoy a vacation in the Bahamas.

They're talking about the obvious racial segregation: the white people are to be treated like kings, and the brown people are there to do the treating.

I don't really see how doing a little shopping when the ship comes into port or while staying at a foreign resort equates to being treated like a king because of your skin color.

My wife is from what we might call a developing country. When we go back to her home city to visit family, we'll occasionally go out to a store or eat at a restaurant, and while there, we're served by... brown people! Which makes sense because there are many, many brown people there. Am I supposed to feel bad about "colonizing" her city, just because I'm white? It's not even something I notice.

I guess I just don't get this odd American insistence on framing every interaction in terms of a power dynamic based on people's skin color.

Re: Cruise ships chopped in half are a license to print money

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Post by DrNosferatu »

consumer451 wrote: post #114
raldi wrote: post #62

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They produce sewage that would otherwise not have existed?

Years ago, Key West built enough extra sewage treatment capacity to process sewage from the many cruise ships which visit the city. There was a plan to require all ships to discharge and pay for treatment so that sewage was not dumped 12 miles off-shore, which is only 3 miles past the reef. Captains get a bonus for fuel savings, so they tend to dump as soon as it is legal. The cruise industry threatened to remove Key…

Big economic blocks like the EU and the US should force the cruise ships to operate sustainably and not pollute the literal sh*t out of the port cities they stop at.

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Post by nullstyle »

giantg2 wrote: post #136
nullstyle wrote: post #84

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There’s a different kind of serendipity that comes with Cruise vacations as opposed to road tripping, but it’s still very much there. Furthermore, I can’t really have a road trip experience with 16 people in my travel group; If we want to be together, we’ll be stuck, packed into a van. I can have a great cruise experience with a group that size on a cruise or at a resort. I say this is someone who had taken multiple…

"I can’t really have a road trip experience with 16 people in my travel group" Convoys work for this. Perhaps even more fun if they're fun cars with a lower car to passenger ratio.

Convoys have become shit shows more often than not in my experience, but point taken. So many ways to skin the vacation-cat.

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Post by rcpt »

raldi wrote: post #146
consumer451 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Years ago, Key West built enough extra sewage treatment capacity to process sewage from the many cruise ships which visit the city. There was a plan to require all ships to discharge and pay for treatment so that sewage was not dumped 12 miles off-shore, which is only 3 miles past the reef. Captains get a bonus for fuel savings, so they tend to dump as soon as it is legal. The cruise industry threatened to remove Key…

What do you think happens to land-based sewage?

It's treated in huge facilities. We don't just flush it raw into the water

Re: Cruise ships chopped in half are a license to print money

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Post by sircastor »

protocolture wrote: post #4

I worked on a cruise ship below decks, once, for 3 hours, and I swore I would never take a cruise. Take the dirtiest hotel you have ever been in, and then ensure you cant leave it for days at a time. It interests me that demand is increasing but I suspect thats just good advertising.

My wife had expressed interest in taking a cruise until COVID and the cruise ship debacle when passengers were forced to stay on the ship, in their cabins for 2 weeks. Though the likelihood of something like that happening again feels pretty low, it has forever put her off the idea.

Re: Cruise ships chopped in half are a license to print money

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Post by xxr »

protocolture wrote: post #4

I worked on a cruise ship below decks, once, for 3 hours, and I swore I would never take a cruise. Take the dirtiest hotel you have ever been in, and then ensure you cant leave it for days at a time. It interests me that demand is increasing but I suspect thats just good advertising.

>It interests me that demand is increasing

I admire your embrace of the “curiosity, not disparagement” principle.

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