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Re: A Post-Google World?

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> video sharing, mapping, mobile phones, and the other Google infrastructure. These are all areas ripe for innovation and disruption, This is incredibly wrong. We've had mountains of innovation in all of these areas under Google's leadership and from competitors like Apple, Mapbox, Microsoft, AWS, etc. When Google ends up costing more to use, competitors will _not_ need to innovate to attract customers to their platf…

What innovation has happened in Maps in the last 19 years? Aside from buying Waze in 2013?

Street View

Re: A Post-Google World?

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interesting parallels are drawn for this opinion, but i would be with it if it was just limited to web search like most people started clamoring after genAI.

some comparisons with past american monopolies were made, but there is a key difference between those and google - the direct impact to people across the world. to me it came across slightly myopic to look only inside one large economy, for things that impact everyone's lives but not directly.

we already have large portions of the world not impacted by google - just look at china. but even there android in its different form has been vital. it is not just a matter of "we got a disruptive new tool to replace the current choice". google is able to bankroll key internet services that could stand by itself even when broken up - android, search (people still use it to open websites they literally spell out), youtube, gmail to name the key few.

change is inevitable but i don't see it happening the way it is envisaged here. pretty much all the "disrupters" are backed the same way that made today's big tech. which goes beyond just google. the now-subsiding ai boom has shown that big tech is still swaying investors for immaterial promises.

Re: A Post-Google World?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not every tom, dick and harry is going to be able to pay for services. Personally, If I dont own the software and cant change its source code I dont trust the company. Hopefully at some point in the far future computing and AI will become so efficient that we will be able to own our own search infrastructure.That being said once this future arrives Im probably going to have to search for a new job as I dont see softw…

I was a paid Kagi subscriber. I unsubscribed due to my temporary financial difficulties, but I'm resubscribing as soon as I'm able to afford expenses like this. I'm VERY happy with them.

You do you. To be entirely frank 90% of the world is not software engineers. If I were to ask the guy who sells food at my local food stall to pay for a search engine where free (as in dollars) alternatives exist he is going to pick the free one. To be entirely frank he probably does not have enough money to pay for yet another service.

My major concern with kagi is that its good now, whos to say it will ne good in the future. Plenty of SAaS have ebshitiffied. We NEED open infrastructure fpr search. What that lools like Im not sure but it may be possible in the far future.

Re: A Post-Google World?

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post #19

> At some point, they will give up and realize that the writing is on the wall for their current business model. I'd sooner think hell would freeze over than Google would ever 'give up' on its business model of its own accord. I can hardly imagine half of its services being viable as separate businesses. Which might well be a boon for competitors (especially in adtech), but not for any of Google's current employees o…

If profits degrade for Google society will feel the impact pretty quickly. Think about how many schools rely on Google for Education for email, SSO, and Chromebooks. Think about people who rely on Google Maps, Sheets, Docs, and other loss-leading products. Think about all the data they scoop up in all their apps. Late game capitalism applied to Google's portfolio would be catastrophic.

Rip the band-aid off.

Re: A Post-Google World?

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post #6

Generally an excellent and accurate write up, nervous/excited to see where this goes. A bit over the top with some of the things google has done in the programmatic space, but aligns with reality. I disagree with the display/programmatic space innovations being held back by google - there are an insane amount of small players who are doing different things and it’s easy to integrate them into the existing space. IE i…

In general I do not understand how auctioning for a thing with fixed cost aligns with the principles of free market.

Google owns the infrastructure of search, maintaining them and showing ads has a finite cost. How does piting ad buyers in an auction is different than price gauging?

Imagine apple every year introducing the new iPhone without a price and when you go to the cart it asks for your credit limits before it creates a unique price that magically matches exactly your credit limits.

Re: A Post-Google World?

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In the end we will all lose, in my opinion. Google will start to charge more for access to YouTube, along with increasing ads. They will begin to pay creators less due to the increased cost in serving the ads. We will see a decline in the quality and quantity of high production video education.

Google will charge more for access to YouTube, which makes competitors like Nebula more appealing.

Re: A Post-Google World?

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post #6

Generally an excellent and accurate write up, nervous/excited to see where this goes. A bit over the top with some of the things google has done in the programmatic space, but aligns with reality. I disagree with the display/programmatic space innovations being held back by google - there are an insane amount of small players who are doing different things and it’s easy to integrate them into the existing space. IE i…

In general I do not understand how auctioning for a thing with fixed cost aligns with the principles of free market. Google owns the infrastructure of search, maintaining them and showing ads has a finite cost. How does piting ad buyers in an auction is different than price gauging? Imagine apple every year introducing the new iPhone without a price and when you go to the cart it asks for your credit limits before it…

> In general I do not understand how auctioning for a thing with fixed cost aligns with the principles of free market.

Isn't it kind of like real estate?

In theory, it should cost roughly the same amount to build a house in the middle of nowhere versus the center of Manhattan. But more people want to live in Manhattan, and there's a limited amount of space, so buyers effectively bid up the price.

On any given website, there is a limited amount of ad space.

Re: A Post-Google World?

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If profits degrade for Google society will feel the impact pretty quickly. Think about how many schools rely on Google for Education for email, SSO, and Chromebooks. Think about people who rely on Google Maps, Sheets, Docs, and other loss-leading products. Think about all the data they scoop up in all their apps. Late game capitalism applied to Google's portfolio would be catastrophic.

Nationalize it and fold the services into the post office.

And one of the main political parties here is dead set on strangling the post office's finances by requiring it to prefund retiree health benefits. It's a cash strapped organization that's barely hanging on. If the nationalization comes to fruition, you can count on them to strangle its finances until it's dying a slow death.

Re: A Post-Google World?

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post #6

Generally an excellent and accurate write up, nervous/excited to see where this goes. A bit over the top with some of the things google has done in the programmatic space, but aligns with reality. I disagree with the display/programmatic space innovations being held back by google - there are an insane amount of small players who are doing different things and it’s easy to integrate them into the existing space. IE i…

In general I do not understand how auctioning for a thing with fixed cost aligns with the principles of free market. Google owns the infrastructure of search, maintaining them and showing ads has a finite cost. How does piting ad buyers in an auction is different than price gauging? Imagine apple every year introducing the new iPhone without a price and when you go to the cart it asks for your credit limits before it…

An ad for a specific user is worth a different amount to each advertiser for a couple reasons. You don’t sell something based on what it costs, you sell it based on what it worth.

Search is a bit different than display which is covered in the article, but imagine 2 jewelry companies that are exactly the same. A user searching for “necklaces” you’d think each company would bid the same amount to advertise there. But say one company is trying to raise a round of funding and needs to drive sales, they’ll bid higher to increase sales but at a lower roas. The other company is satisfied with their revenue and doesn’t bid higher.

In display each bidder has different information about a user (they may have their own data about a users behavior on their website, or it may be provided by a vendor that other bidders aren’t using). So the difference in price is largely a difference in information.

Re: A Post-Google World?

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post #6

Generally an excellent and accurate write up, nervous/excited to see where this goes. A bit over the top with some of the things google has done in the programmatic space, but aligns with reality. I disagree with the display/programmatic space innovations being held back by google - there are an insane amount of small players who are doing different things and it’s easy to integrate them into the existing space. IE i…

In general I do not understand how auctioning for a thing with fixed cost aligns with the principles of free market. Google owns the infrastructure of search, maintaining them and showing ads has a finite cost. How does piting ad buyers in an auction is different than price gauging? Imagine apple every year introducing the new iPhone without a price and when you go to the cart it asks for your credit limits before it…

"a thing with fixed cost", just imagine the billboard in downtown. The cost is finite. But you'll know that the price would be aligned with ups and downs of the demand. You may use auction model, or you can continuously tune the price. Actually they may converge similarly, to the principles of free market.

Same thing with real estates, or stocks.

However the iPhone example you mentioned follows a different scheme. iPhone is not something people competing for, as long as stock lasts.

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