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Re: A Post-Google World?

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> Late game capitalism applied to Google's portfolio would be catastrophic. This is probably my biggest fear about the eventual fate of Google. The amount of data they have is staggering and would be very short-term profitable for PE firms looking to make a quick buck.

How would they make more money off it than what Google is already doing?

By doing what Google is doing and also charging users to use services.

Re: A Post-Google World?

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Except for the Android users who actually tried not using Google Play and know it usually results in a "Play Services are required" error message.

https://microg.org/ can replace services as needed.

It can't replace Play Services.

Re: A Post-Google World?

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https://microg.org/ can replace services as needed.

It can't replace Play Services.

It can replace pretty much everything that isn't explicit DRM, in my experience. Google's own lawsuit against Oracle actually set the precedent for the legality of programs like microG: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_LLC_v._Oracle_America%2....

Re: A Post-Google World?

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> At some point, they will give up and realize that the writing is on the wall for their current business model. I'd sooner think hell would freeze over than Google would ever 'give up' on its business model of its own accord. I can hardly imagine half of its services being viable as separate businesses. Which might well be a boon for competitors (especially in adtech), but not for any of Google's current employees o…

If profits degrade for Google society will feel the impact pretty quickly. Think about how many schools rely on Google for Education for email, SSO, and Chromebooks. Think about people who rely on Google Maps, Sheets, Docs, and other loss-leading products. Think about all the data they scoop up in all their apps. Late game capitalism applied to Google's portfolio would be catastrophic.

You got the causality wrong. Profits would degrade because these services stop getting used, not the other way around.

Re: A Post-Google World?

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Nothing will really change. Even if they are found to be a monopoly. The appeals process and the commensurate change in the world during those years will allow Google to work around any proposed remediation before it is enacted.

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Re: A Post-Google World?

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That passage doesn't make sense. Android already allows other app stores, just not entirely without friction. It's iOS which doesn't allow them.

Sort of but not in any practical reality. Besides the scare screens to make any alternatives look like malware, Google has actively paid developers to not compete with the Play Store and launched secret codenamed projects to undermine individual third party stores. Google has even tasked security teams with finding exploits in competing solutions to try to destroy the reputation of anyone who could launch an effectiv…

That doesn't seem like abuse of monopoly positioning, though. It's dirty, but bug-hunting for your adversaries and responding to the proliferation of competitors is entirely normal and accessible. Google's biggest "scare screen" is the developer menu which rightfully warns you of the danger associated with third-party packaging. The only other mandatory menu is the one that asks for user consent to install a package, which is not scary so much as mandatory to prevent obvious exploit chains.

Google's approach to sideloading is borderline inscrutable, and I say that as someone that will gladly sell them out for their abuse of the advertising market. This lawsuit exists to grant faux parity for the Apple lobbyists due in their government mandated reaming. As long as the AOSP exists, it is literally impossible for Google to abuse Android as an anticompetitive environment for other companies. OEMs control Android as much as Google does. The same cannot be said for Microsoft or Apple.

Re: A Post-Google World?

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SaaS is not a bad deal when users pay for the service directly. And Google have provided tremendous value with their free tools. People forget what it was like before Gmail and Docs. I sincerely hope we can move away from their business model, but looks to me consumers rather pay with anything but their money.

Google used to be Writely and Google has improved it very little after the acquisition and integration. We had Google docs before Google released it and it would have prevailed as an independent company if the authorities had had any interest in preventing trust and oligarchy

> Google used to be Writely and Google has improved it very little after the acquisition and integration.

I don't think you're correctly remembering Writely or early Google docs. Expectations were very different back when ajax was still a cutting edge buzz word.

Re: A Post-Google World?

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lol no. There already exists alternatives to every Google service. The only moat any of them have is that Google can give them away for free as a loss leader. There’s nothing special about Gmail in 2024. But Gmail is totally free which prevents anyone from investing in a significant competitor. Society will be just fine.

>There already exists alternatives to every Google service. The only moat any of them have is that Google can give them away for free as a loss leader. The irony behind Google is that Google in the early days was the antonym for Yahoo; just a simple looking search engine with a search box, minimalistic UI and a better search ranking compared to Yahoo which was crammed internet portal which looked and felt messy. Nowa…

I personally pay for Hey email. But almost all people aren’t interested in paying for email when gmail is free.
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