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Tell HN: Burnout is bad to your brain, take care

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Re: Tell HN: Burnout is bad to your brain, take care

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Giving you a big hug. I have been through really rough periods and as my health took a big toll, the only means I had to recovery was to move away from crazy startup life. Gradually I understood that, maybe, there is a better balance. I still want to learn, grow, solve problems, dream big. Instead of making 3 year plans, I started making 10 year plans. I started taking care of my health, like it is the most important…

I did roughly the same thing; I live in a small village in protected nature. I still run startups, but I sit at my stream in my forest working for them. Life is cheap here so I was able to buy a house and the land; when I feel overwhelmed, I can just throw my laptop and phone out and live out my life tinkering in the house, the land and on hardware. But since I moved (long ago) I haven't had that feeling again.

Same thing here. I bought a little piece of land with an old farm to renovate 7 years ago. The house is right next to a large forest, it was built 175 years ago when this area was cleared, and now I'm letting the forest come back to the parts I'm not using. I watch the small trees grow up, it's peaceful. I charge my laptop with a solar panel and got just enough mobile connectivity to be able to work efficiently.

I still got burn out at my last job because I let the pressure got me. Now I'm recovering while coding small projects and I hope that I'll find a better balance in the next job, or maybe one of my projects will take off.

Re: Tell HN: Burnout is bad to your brain, take care

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I had a convergence of a few things that caused a huge burnout - building work on my house, 18 month long software project implementation that eventually failed, and stress that comes from being a sole provider.

Ultimately I woke one day and couldn't talk, this went on for a couple of weeks. It wasn't until 4 to 6 weeks later that I could get out of bed. I just broke.

Discovered from this that I was autistic and had an autistic burnout, but I've not been the same since, I'm better than I was but lesser than before.

Re: Tell HN: Burnout is bad to your brain, take care

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You know when you are burned out and you seek advice from other people? Brain fog? exercise, magnesium and so on Can't sleep? drink milk Tired? Eat well, take vitamins

I did all these and while it did help, it also felt like I was returning $1 on a $1 million debt.

So the wort burnout I've got was due to some stomach bug. This prevented the normal absorption of food and soon enough I was running on fumes (while still being quite active).

What's interesting is that at this point all those advises don't actually solve anything, they might even make things worse.

Brain fog? you don't get any fuel for your brain, so yes brain frog. Do you also exercise or do some treks? Your fuel tank is empty and you force your body to eat into your body to take what it needs. It will make you fell worse, not better. If you exercise and almost immediately feel sleepy, that's a clear sign. Can't sleep? yes, chronic illness will do that to you. Your body is in a state of panic because it knows that something is very wrong. You don't fall asleep anymore, you just collapse from being awake for too long. Depressed? all your days start to look a like, chronic illness will do that to you. Anxious? you drink chamomile tea? will not fix the underlying issue. Nice try.

So you find the actual problem and you fix it. Now you are OK, right? well no. You are missing all the minerals and all the vitamins your body could not absorb. I took some multivitamins and that felt good, some magnesium and I felt only a little better and the last one was Vitamin C. That felt amazing. All the muscle and joint pain, and lack of focus disappeared. Suddenly I could focus, I could exercise, I could cook for myself, go out and so on. Only from this point forward I can follow those well meaning advises.

Not sure from where I took the bug, my guess is the water. Given that a lot of people don't actually have access to good water I think it's very common. Also a big problem is that you don't actually feel ill. I never had diarrhea for example. It starts very innocent as a mood change and nothing else: you don't quite feel it today, a little hard to focus, you sleep a little worse next day/week/month and now you are even less able to focus, but you blame it on the bad sleep and so on. The things compound and once you are in that hole it's much harder to get out.

So my advice is if you have a bad mood for a long period of time, then you might have something physically wrong with you and look into that. No amount of meditation, tea or anything else, can fix that for you.

Interestingly I had periods in which I felt better. It turns out I was consuming Coca-Cola which has a slight antibacterial effect. But given that I didn't know the root cause at the time, I felt worse when I was trying to live healthy and so I stopped the Coke.

Re: Tell HN: Burnout is bad to your brain, take care

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OP, I don't know a solution to this, but I'm curious if you've tried intensive exercise routines, low calorie diets, time in nature, cold showers, socializing and, working on your non-work life as a whole? I've seen this help me out in similar battles and I have also seen them recommended to others. I also have a more general question to everyone on this thread, what is the difference between burnout and demotivation…

I've felt burnout and feel that I'm dealing with it now. I know doing exercise, a better diet, nature, will all help, but it's the motivation to start doing it. You wake up not wanting to go to work. You're at work, not wanting to go home. You're at home and don't want to go to sleep since it means you're just going to start the cycle again tomorrow. My issue is finding the motivation to start improving.

Re: Tell HN: Burnout is bad to your brain, take care

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Funny enough, I just had my first LeetCode question ever... for an internal job posting. Wtf

Can't they just look at your code commit history ...

They absolutely could.

On the opposite side, I usually skip teams for their repo so I can review them. Are there test cases built out? Do they have east to follow code design, or descriptive comments? Do they have a normal level of abstraction, or are there multiple layers of interfaces for not real reason? I recently declined a position because the team was building a UI, didn't have a CMS, didn't have any real rests, and the code looked like a bit of a mess. It didn't help that the languages (Go, React) were completely new to me, so I wouldn't be able to make an impact on improving these issues.

Re: Tell HN: Burnout is bad to your brain, take care

#227

I have a pet theory that burnout and depression are mostly the same thing, just triggered by different things.

They are just symptoms. Burnout - your brain can't function properly, depression - bad functioning brain usually has only negative thoughts. The root cause is somewhere in your body, your gut maybe. Why is the brain not receiving the fuel it needs?

Re: Tell HN: Burnout is bad to your brain, take care

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Yes! And Christianity to this day is still very and subtly misogynistic. For example, why does a woman need to give up her last name when marrying?

There are places with a Christian tradition where that is not the case. For instance, Spain.

Re: Tell HN: Burnout is bad to your brain, take care

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Yes! And Christianity to this day is still very and subtly misogynistic. For example, why does a woman need to give up her last name when marrying?

How’s that related to Christianity?

It’s not a strict requirement but it was part of the culture when the Bible was written, and fits with the general hierarchy which is specified in various scriptures – the most common justification cited is in Ephesians where there’s an injunction for wives to be submissive to their husbands. Coupled with the way the Bible assumes the traditions of the time (e.g. sons taking their father’s name, the patriarchal line of inheritance, etc.) it’s common to many Christian cultural traditions even though there are exceptions.

Re: Tell HN: Burnout is bad to your brain, take care

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I recognized I was burned out three months ago, but wasn’t in a situation to do anything about it. Then work got even harder, and I tried to push through it. My brain broke last Friday, I couldn’t think about even the most basic programming concepts without a lot of struggle and developing a nasty headache. I’m now in the exact same place as OP, and just told HR today that I need to file for temporary disability. I’m…

If you’re worried about the “gap”, don’t be. In my experience it doesn’t matter nearly as much as people believe. And don’t worry about your “career”. It’s basically all bullshit anyway.

This comment makes no sense.

Your ability to provide for yourself and your family isn't "basically bullshit," and filing for short term disability doesn't leave a gap on your resume.

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