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Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 Recall AI is not optional

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Re: Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 Recall AI is not optional

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Post by multimoon »

benterix wrote: post #109
multimoon wrote: post #108

I never understand Microsoft’s strategy with being absolutely full bore focused on locking in 100% of everyone to this crap, consistently. It has to be cheaper to let the .03% of people who want to do their own thing just do their own thing than it does spend engineering work to try to constantly capture them. The average user already doesn’t know what “an ai” is and doesn’t care, and therefore will never change your…

Hardware is so cheap these days you can just have a separate machine for Windows-only tasks like gaming in your case (in my case it's macOS for music production) - and enjoy the freedom for all other tasks.

This is my current setup yes, the only thing windows is on is a gaming PC for gaming only.

Re: Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 Recall AI is not optional

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Post by benterix »

jsheard wrote: post #41
darkwater wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People should be already upset even if things planned now will start working as expected by Big corp in 5-10 years.

One can hope the AI hype train will have derailed in 5-10 years and Microsoft will have moved on to pushing some other nonsense that nobody actually wants.

> Microsoft will have moved on to pushing some other nonsense that nobody actually wants.

This is the one thing they're quite consistent about.

Re: Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 Recall AI is not optional

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Post by cortesoft »

skydhash wrote: post #92
cortesoft wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everyone has a son-in-law tech admin.

Even Apple and Microsoft have to deploy an army of customer support agents to deal with problems, but you expect Linux to be trouble free? I don't expect anyone capable of installing windows to have trouble with Mint, Elementary, or Fedora.

Sure, but Apple has that army of customer support agents. Maybe someone needs to create some for Linux?

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Post by noirbot »

smegsicle wrote: post #69
noirbot wrote: post #14

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I'd be more comfortable with it if MS didn't have a long and well documented history of overriding user settings via patches to turn on features that users had explicitly turned off. If MS wanted people to trust them to honor settings, they shouldn't have ignored settings for decades.

settings are just preferences, and preferences change everyone knows if you want to stop something from happening you use group policy

Literally what percentage of Windows users do you think know what a Group Policy is, let alone how to set one? 1%? 0.01%?

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Post by mythz »

CalRobert wrote: post #104
mythz wrote: post #59

Which we have to thank for Linux Desktop market share hitting all time highs this year. My decision to switch to a Fedora Desktop earlier this year after 25 years of Windows gets reinforced with every new "Windows Feature". It's been a refreshing change, native versions of JetBrains IDEs, Docker and most Daily Apps (e.g. VS Code, Discord, GitHub Desktop, Obsidian, etc) were available on Day 1, surprisingly all my fla…

Agreed! Maybe we can push chrome down too… Where are you getting Linux desktop share data?

Just off StatsCounter [1] where its reached ~4.55% in August, its growth has been getting highlighted a few times in my YouTube video stream

[1] https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide...

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Post by tristor »

piafraus wrote: post #106
inetknght wrote: post #39

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I've been working with Linux on desktops, laptops, and servers for a decade. Use Mint or Fedora for distribution. Use Cinnamon or KDE for GUI. Everything pretty much just works, man. Games work -- Steam, Battle.net, Lutris, and others I am sure. Sleep works -- just as well as it does on Windows anyway. Network works -- better and easier than Windows IMO. Updates work and waaaaay better than Windows. Backups work. Lib…

> Games work This is not a boolean. Games work, just with way less framerates.

Not necessarily. I sometimes get higher framerates on Linux via Proton than I get on Windows for the same games and same system.

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Post by tootie »

altruios wrote: post #78
tootie wrote: post #51

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Per the source article, the features themselves are opt-in (ie not automatically enabled). I believe Apple is rolling out Apple Intelligence pretty much the same way yet it did not set off a firestorm of criticism.

lets see how that plays out, Cotton. I would not be surprised that per the standard instillation route, default choices are designed to be as easily skipped as possible.

Oh I'm sure they'll use whatever UX techniques they can to convince or dupe users to opt in. My point is that Apple is going to do the same. I'm not defending either of them, just saying it feels like a double standard.

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Post by davidy123 »

I don't understand how they can roll out this feature across all regions. Call recording laws are different in many jurisdictions, and this is like a superset of call recording. I think it's a useful feature for a person, but to collect info on other people (in calls, emails, etc that appear on screen) and be able to process it is like an evil superpower.
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