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Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 Recall AI is not optional

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Re: Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 Recall AI is not optional

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Post by skydhash »

inetknght wrote: post #39
MisterBastahrd wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it really isn't, and I've been working with Linux on desktops since I installed slackware from floppy disks from the back of a giant book after having used Sparcstations. Every single implementation is terrible and breaks in weird ways.

I've been working with Linux on desktops, laptops, and servers for a decade. Use Mint or Fedora for distribution. Use Cinnamon or KDE for GUI. Everything pretty much just works, man. Games work -- Steam, Battle.net, Lutris, and others I am sure. Sleep works -- just as well as it does on Windows anyway. Network works -- better and easier than Windows IMO. Updates work and waaaaay better than Windows. Backups work. Lib…

I'm running Sway on Fedora Asahi Remix and I've experienced fewer crashes than in macOS (and the few crashes was software I've installed, the system is rock solid). And these days, I trust Fedora and Debian's maintainers more than Big Corps. If you're only using a few apps and don't really care what the system does as long as you do your $job, macOS and windows are good. But any custom workflows and you're in a lot of pain.

Re: Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 Recall AI is not optional

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Post by CalRobert »

mythz wrote: post #59

Which we have to thank for Linux Desktop market share hitting all time highs this year. My decision to switch to a Fedora Desktop earlier this year after 25 years of Windows gets reinforced with every new "Windows Feature". It's been a refreshing change, native versions of JetBrains IDEs, Docker and most Daily Apps (e.g. VS Code, Discord, GitHub Desktop, Obsidian, etc) were available on Day 1, surprisingly all my fla…

Agreed! Maybe we can push chrome down too…

Where are you getting Linux desktop share data?

Re: Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 Recall AI is not optional

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Post by SirMaster »

simonw wrote: post #3

“Can’t be uninstalled” and “not optional” aren’t the same thing. This headline implies users won’t be able to prevent recall from taking screenshots of what they are doing. I don’t believe that’s true.

You probably will be able to, and then it will magically turn itself back on after some updates.

Re: Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 Recall AI is not optional

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Post by piafraus »

inetknght wrote: post #39
MisterBastahrd wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it really isn't, and I've been working with Linux on desktops since I installed slackware from floppy disks from the back of a giant book after having used Sparcstations. Every single implementation is terrible and breaks in weird ways.

I've been working with Linux on desktops, laptops, and servers for a decade. Use Mint or Fedora for distribution. Use Cinnamon or KDE for GUI. Everything pretty much just works, man. Games work -- Steam, Battle.net, Lutris, and others I am sure. Sleep works -- just as well as it does on Windows anyway. Network works -- better and easier than Windows IMO. Updates work and waaaaay better than Windows. Backups work. Lib…

> Games work

This is not a boolean. Games work, just with way less framerates.

Re: Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 Recall AI is not optional

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Post by multimoon »

smegsicle wrote: post #69
noirbot wrote: post #14

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I'd be more comfortable with it if MS didn't have a long and well documented history of overriding user settings via patches to turn on features that users had explicitly turned off. If MS wanted people to trust them to honor settings, they shouldn't have ignored settings for decades.

settings are just preferences, and preferences change everyone knows if you want to stop something from happening you use group policy

This isn’t even accurate anymore as I’ve had copilot reappear several times after using GP to disable it.

Re: Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 Recall AI is not optional

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Post by multimoon »

I never understand Microsoft’s strategy with being absolutely full bore focused on locking in 100% of everyone to this crap, consistently.

It has to be cheaper to let the .03% of people who want to do their own thing just do their own thing than it does spend engineering work to try to constantly capture them. The average user already doesn’t know what “an ai” is and doesn’t care, and therefore will never change your defaults. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to re-disable copilot because MS has invalidated my registry and/or group policy changes to get rid of it

If I don’t want the feature even installed on my system, then let me make that choice. Gaming is the only thing holding a windows install in my house anymore and the second DRM in proton is figured out I’m gone.

Re: Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 Recall AI is not optional

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Post by benterix »

multimoon wrote: post #108

I never understand Microsoft’s strategy with being absolutely full bore focused on locking in 100% of everyone to this crap, consistently. It has to be cheaper to let the .03% of people who want to do their own thing just do their own thing than it does spend engineering work to try to constantly capture them. The average user already doesn’t know what “an ai” is and doesn’t care, and therefore will never change your…

Hardware is so cheap these days you can just have a separate machine for Windows-only tasks like gaming in your case (in my case it's macOS for music production) - and enjoy the freedom for all other tasks.

Re: Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 Recall AI is not optional

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Post by renegat0x0 »

onemoresoop wrote: post #87
robrtsql wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the question about Linux in general or about Pop_OS specifically? I've used it--the differences are going to increase once their new desktop environment releases, but right now it's comparable to Ubuntu except with some nice-to-haves (proprietary NVIDIA drivers are installed automatically, no software is delivered via Canonical's 'snaps' which are almost universally hated). I enjoyed it, but in my opinion, popular…

>t's great, unless you need to run, say, Adobe Photoshop, Microsoft Excel, or Fortnite. There's no way to use Wine for Microsoft Excel?

I had problems with configuring wine prefix manually. Some frameworks could be downloaded / installed. With some were problems. 32 bit wine worked, but 64 bit prefix did not most of the times.

There were attempts to auto configure apps, like bottles program. This did work quite well when I used it for simple programs.

As with Linux. It takes some time to get familiar. Once you set up everything correctly, it will just work.

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