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Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 Recall AI is not optional

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Re: Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 Recall AI is not optional

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Post by jsheard »

darkwater wrote: post #27
jsheard wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAICT it's only going to work on Copilot+ branded systems anyway, and currently only the Snapdragon ARM machines have a beefy enough NPU to meet that criteria. Both Intel and AMD are working towards getting that certification with their upcoming CPUs though.

People should be already upset even if things planned now will start working as expected by Big corp in 5-10 years.

One can hope the AI hype train will have derailed in 5-10 years and Microsoft will have moved on to pushing some other nonsense that nobody actually wants.

Re: Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 Recall AI is not optional

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Post by darkwater »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #6
scblock wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's today. I encourage you to actually try it rather than repeat an old trope.

No, it really isn't, and I've been working with Linux on desktops since I installed slackware from floppy disks from the back of a giant book after having used Sparcstations. Every single implementation is terrible and breaks in weird ways.

I did the same (installing Slack from floppies in 1996...and failing) and I've been running Linux as my main and only desktop first and laptop then operating system for... 23 years now. Windows Millennium was the last straw for me.

My family is Ubuntu-only since 10 years ago, and I have 2 daughters that only know Unity as the graphical UI for a desktop PC (well, the big one is unfortunately starting to see Windows at school).

Re: Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 Recall AI is not optional

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Post by talldayo »

ziddoap wrote: post #28
choeger wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm running Linux for decades now without problems. Gaming was Windows' last bastion, but SteamOS is looking more and more attractive. So maybe I can get rid of that crapware personally.

> Gaming was Windows' last bastion Not by a long shot. Windows-only enterprise software (QuickBooks, SolidWorks, etc.) is the last bastion, and that bastion is going to hold for a long time.

The customers of that particular bastion have LTSC, and enough capital to twist Microsoft's arm into including or excluding whatever features they prefer.

Re: Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 Recall AI is not optional

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Post by flohofwoe »

talldayo wrote: post #33
flohofwoe wrote: post #8

So even when the feature can be disabled (but not uninstalled), Microsoft will at least make sure that "no means no" and not silently enable the feature again after an OS update right? Right?! I guess/hope the EU is already on it though.

It's important that Recall is available to all Microsoft Windows users. The Microsoft ecosystem is a great value to its customers, and the obstruction of Microsoft's right to advertise to their users would be another example of how the EU hates their citizens. If you don't want Copilot, why can't you just buy another computer and let Microsoft customers enjoy their vertical integration? /s Edit: Included sarcasm indi…

Are you the Recall PM? ;)

Windows is good for one thing these days: Playing games via Steam. That's about it, and Linux is getting pretty good at that too - but not yet perfect. That's why I have to stick to Windows for my gaming PC for the time being.

> If you don't want Copilot, why can't you just buy another computer and let Microsoft customers enjoy their vertical integration?

Why doesn't Microsoft simply let me uninstall it? That would be the consumer friendly thing to do.

Re: Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 Recall AI is not optional

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Post by fxtentacle »

ziddoap wrote: post #28
choeger wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm running Linux for decades now without problems. Gaming was Windows' last bastion, but SteamOS is looking more and more attractive. So maybe I can get rid of that crapware personally.

> Gaming was Windows' last bastion Not by a long shot. Windows-only enterprise software (QuickBooks, SolidWorks, etc.) is the last bastion, and that bastion is going to hold for a long time.

QuickBooks is now mostly a website, we ditched the client-side app a few years ago.

But yeah, SolidWorks is notoriously flaky. It doesn't even work OK in a Windows VM. Or on any modern Laptop with discrete GPU.

Re: Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 Recall AI is not optional

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Post by JohnFen »

simonw wrote: post #3

“Can’t be uninstalled” and “not optional” aren’t the same thing. This headline implies users won’t be able to prevent recall from taking screenshots of what they are doing. I don’t believe that’s true.

If I can remove it, I can trust that it won't get used behind my back. If I can only disable it, I can't have that trust.

Re: Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 Recall AI is not optional

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Post by crowcroft »

lazide wrote: post #36
crowcroft wrote: post #20

At this point the problem isn’t really the feature and if it’s optional or not, the problem is the comms and roll out are such a dumpster fire that it’s confusing everyone.

Eh, FUD is a MS classic.

At this point it’s FUD about themselves though. That’s what’s so strange.

Re: Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 Recall AI is not optional

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Post by scblock »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #6
scblock wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's today. I encourage you to actually try it rather than repeat an old trope.

No, it really isn't, and I've been working with Linux on desktops since I installed slackware from floppy disks from the back of a giant book after having used Sparcstations. Every single implementation is terrible and breaks in weird ways.

Sure, you're clearly the expert. If we're measuring experience based on the age of ancient software then I guess you win because I only started with RedHat 5.1 from a CD.

But in 2024 you clearly are still the true expert and arbiter of what constitutes a working desktop OS. I mean I only use Linux on a desktop and a laptop every single day, so I probably don't really get it.

But truly, Linux gives me significantly less "broken in weird ways" issues, as you say, in daily use than Windows 10 does on the same hardware. Both sometimes do stupid things, and both sometimes require stupid incantations when things go wrong (please don't pretend windows doesn't, because it absolutely does).

Re: Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 Recall AI is not optional

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Post by nightski »

fidotron wrote: post #9

Microsoft are conducting a massive experiment to find just how badly you can treat locked in consumers before they switch. They are plumbing the depths so well it is legitimately hard to imagine what new madness they could come up with next.

The problem is most users don't even know it is happening.
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