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Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by HelloMcFly » Wed, Sep 04, 2024, 1:13 PM UTC

avsteele wrote: post #841

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When Musk is picking-and-choosing where freedom of expression matters (e.g., Turkey, India, publishing his plane's location information, banning users writing "cisgender", etc.), I don't think it's "pro-censorship" to not be on his side here because this doesn't feel motivated by true principle and puts his motives and associated narrative into highly suspect territory for me. Is some selective censorship from Musk b…

This doesn't make sense to me. I'm just doing to poke at one aspect. Imagine you are a Brazilian. The government will censor these speakers whatever they appear. If you favor this ruling you are agreeing with the statement "Yes, I trust the Brazilian government to be the one to determine what is misinformation and against democracy and to make action to prevent me from seeing it" Twitter/Musk can not substantially ch…

I'm not saying I'm "in favor" of what Brazil is doing - despite having read some news articles, I'm not confident I fully understand the entire situation. But what I am saying is that I'm having a hard time getting up in arms about this or feeling like X is fighting a righteous fight.

Here's my own thought experiment: if X overtly and publicly said they would fight all censorship-related actions by left-wing governments, but acquiesce willingly to all right-wing governments, should I be happier about that than if they treated all governments equally? I can understand why the answer for some is "yes, because for those individuals in those countries they deserve freedom of expression even if it's only given as a tool to power structures trying to erode their rights." But while I get it, that's not how I feel, because then the actions aren't motivated by principal, but by an effort to shape global politics.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by WrongAssumption » Thu, Sep 05, 2024, 6:41 AM UTC

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“It closed its office in Brazil earlier this month, saying its representative had been threatened with arrest if she did not comply with orders it described as "censorship" - as well as illegal under Brazilian law. Justice Moraes had ordered that X accounts accused of spreading disinformation - many supporters of the former right-wing president Jair Bolsonaro - must be blocked while they are under investigation. He s…

They wanted him to appoint a representative so it could represent the company (and be held liable, in case the company does anything illegal) as mandates Brazilian law. As soon as Elon decided to not have a representative, Twitter's operation in Brazil became Illegal Other companies, such as Telegram, also have faced the same and they simply appointed a representative. If you research you'll see that no representativ…

Yeah, it’s a legally mandated fall guy. The Brazilian legal representative has no control over what X does. So he appoints one, Elon refuses to ban accounts, and that guy goes to jail for it. It’s madness.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by myko » Fri, Sep 06, 2024, 12:49 AM UTC

WrongAssumption wrote: post #279

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i disagree, for example holocaust denial is not allowed in Germany and that seems reasonable and to work well https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/germanys-laws-ant...

Did you read the article you posted? It doesn’t sound like it’s working well at all.

Having lived in Germany and the US I disagree with your assessment of the situation

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by BlueTemplar » Fri, Sep 06, 2024, 9:25 AM UTC

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Nostr is tied to the crypto coin crowd, which is largely off-putting to most people Dorsey is certainly focused on that realm

nostr's protocol is also fairly unstructured compared to atproto. ive researched bluesky, farcaster, and nostr, and their cultural origins have definitely impacted how they have approached their designs. There is no predicting what approaches will win, but those 3 are the current viable options I think. FYI I am part of the crypto crowd myself, but I am a SWE looking at these systems, not a CT gambler, lol.

Oh, so what about the origins of Bluesky by the same founder(s) as Twitter ?

That alone gave me pause, as Twitter ended up as one of the most despicable platforms we have to suffer today (and yes, those issues are inherent in its nature, and long predate Musk buying it). But I guess that they might have learned from their mistakes this time ??

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by BlueTemplar » Fri, Sep 06, 2024, 9:26 AM UTC

neonsunset wrote: post #482

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Asking for a coup IS an attempted coup

When we, Ukrainians, stood up to oligarchiat/mafia russian-puppet governing party in 2013-2014, what do you call this?

Protests that actually turned into a coup ? That doesn't seem to have happened in Brazil. (Yet.)

Discussion about would-be coups seems to be fraught... probably best to avoid the term ?? I'm remembering those funny (for an outsider) images of the January 6th USA Capitol invaders seemingly being lost at what they were supposed to be doing once in the building... (though this took a darker turn when we learned, much later, that Trump did not show up because his own security service prevented him to !)