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Re: Founder Mode

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see anything distinct enough to call "founder mode" here. It's just one (very important, but small) sub-facet of Ron Westrum's organisational typology. That specific behaviour, of a top-of-the-tree authority figure getting involved in the weeds, is just one behaviour he calls out as characterising generative cultures, but there are others: an eagerness to find mistakes is another important one. This has becom…

What I'm disappointed by is that in the hundreds of years of capitalism, there has been little or no scientific research that looks at what structures create companies that have the desirable attributes we want. The fact that Paul Graham is now coining 'founder mode' without formulating any theory and approach to test what works (you would think VCs would be a group capable of doing this research) is disappointing. T…

"What I'm disappointed by is that in the hundreds of years of capitalism, there has been little or no scientific research that looks at what structures create companies that have the desirable attributes we want."

-- It may well be that, beyond the obvious, it depends on the broader social (how society is structured) and financial context, and the spirit of the times. The same could be said of all sorts of "how to's": how to get rich, how to be successful in life (the vagueness of which already throws a wrench into the engine of exploration), how to win at soccer/football/whatever sport or skill you are interested in.

While technology may open new horizons with capabilities that were not there before (think 4G and true mobile internet experience), one might ask why, looking back at the "primitive" ways sports were trained for and played 50 years ago, nobody had the intuition to propose ways of training and playing that are closer to what we see today. It did not require new technology, it needed a different way of thinking about the problem. But what scientific research, such as the one you propose to use to study how organizations win, would have allowed this thinking to emerge? And the same will probably be pondered 50 years from now when their ways will be compared to ours.

Re: Founder Mode

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It's not founder mode or manager mode. I think it is just about effective management. When starting up, the founder needs to (1) know what should be done, (2) be able to do it themself, and (3) do it and confirmed it's done. When scaling up, the founder still needs to (1) know what should be done, (2') know who are able to do it, and (3') arrange for those to do it and confirm it's done. What is called manager mode i…

I agree with this. In my experience, if your "good people" are running your business into the ground, you just didn't hire good people. The challenge is that hiring "good people" is incredibly difficult. It's also actually fairly hard to get released once onboard. If the company is in the black, even if growth is far below where a founder or investor wants to be, stakeholders are reluctant to make changes. Baseball r…

Have you ever run a company or are you just sharing opinions based on what you “think” should be done?

Re: Founder Mode

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I grew up seeing founder mode first-hand. My dad founded Celestron, and he operated just as Paul is describing. At my current company, I see the CEO doing the exact same thing, which gives me great hope. Huge contrast from my previous start-up, for which I have great anti-hope unfortunately. (Current company is Zap Surgical Systems, with Dr. John Adler as the founder.) I've seen John everywhere, all day every day. I'…

> His footnote has a painful resonance: "I also have another less optimistic prediction: as soon as the concept of founder mode becomes established, people will start misusing it." Oh I can totally picture this being used as an excuse for bad micromanagement! Unfortunately a lot of people are more interested in "doing the label" than developing a deep understanding of why they'd do something and how to apply it corre…

Doesn't it sound like the most self-absorbed footnote in the history of footnotes? "Attention, sailors. I just defined a new concept (--which is as new as the wheel, by the way--), which fundamentally changes how we see organizations, but it will be misused".

How people can take someone so self-indulgent and -absorbed seriously is beyond me. I am sure he is great at his job of nurturing start-ups, but what he had to say, he already said a long time ago.

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Over my ten-year journey as a co-founder, my partners and I have twice decided to hire "expert" senior managers with proven track records from renowned companies to help us grow. Both times, this not only resulted in a waste of money due to their high compensation but also a waste of time and energy. Onboarding and managing them took significant effort, yet they failed to deliver meaningful results. Eventually, they…

Have you tried hiring or rotating internal people just for solving specific (management) tasks? It is like the "just-in-time" style in Japanese corps.

We haven't tried that yet, but it's an interesting idea.

I'm the technical co-founder. Under me, we have three squads. Two of them are led by managers who were promoted internally from individual contributor roles. These managers still do some hands-on coding occasionally when needed, but they primarily focus on delegating tasks to their teams as much as possible. The third squad has a manager without coding responsibilities, whom we hired to test a new squad structure. It's been going really well—his squad is performing excellently, and I've been able to delegate some cross-functional tasks that used to fall on me, like collaborating with the sales team when clients have technical requirements for renewing their accounts or documenting releases and bug fixes to share within the company.

So in terms of the technology area of our company, our lower-level managers are performing considerably well. We’re implementing frameworks and routines that are really helping to advance our company’s managerial maturity. We’re also working to apply these practices to other, less structured areas, so your proposal could be very timely.

Re: Founder Mode

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post #450

I grew up seeing founder mode first-hand. My dad founded Celestron, and he operated just as Paul is describing. At my current company, I see the CEO doing the exact same thing, which gives me great hope. Huge contrast from my previous start-up, for which I have great anti-hope unfortunately. (Current company is Zap Surgical Systems, with Dr. John Adler as the founder.) I've seen John everywhere, all day every day. I'…

"The tao that can be named is not the eternal tao"

It is funny that we take such nonsense seriously when the inventor of radio and the brilliant people who built the telecommunications system on top of it said: "try this thing, you can call your mother who lives in Australia from the United States".

No, "the waves that can be used are not the eternal waves," they built a miracle and made people use it.

Re: Founder Mode

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Hi, exited founder here. I recently learned more about “uniqueness bias”. And I’m so glad I did, because I now realise that (with all due respect to pg) this is what propels people, upon observing some trend/possible causation, to insist that they have “discovered” something powerful and unique, hey in this case let’s call it “founder mode”. Whereas the reality is that it’s infinitely more likely that the world of bu…

This is the one good comment here tbh. Work it around a few times, one starts to learn one must check and check again if that unique idea isn’t already a company, or worse a whole industry. All PG is saying is there’s some delta between 1x employee/founder doing everything and a fleet of MBAs coming and not doing much. If you’ve led teams, you know this is true. Doesn’t take a groundbreaking essay to map that out.

Re: Founder Mode

#718

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with this. In my experience, if your "good people" are running your business into the ground, you just didn't hire good people. The challenge is that hiring "good people" is incredibly difficult. It's also actually fairly hard to get released once onboard. If the company is in the black, even if growth is far below where a founder or investor wants to be, stakeholders are reluctant to make changes. Baseball r…

Have you ever run a company or are you just sharing opinions based on what you “think” should be done?

I have founded and “exited” 3 startups, 2 of which ended in bankruptcy. :)

Re: Founder Mode

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This whole article is written around one key sentence: > There are things founders can do that managers can't, and not doing them feels wrong to founders, because it is. But there are absolutely no examples given of what these things actually are. Paul kinda vibes around that vague statement for 5 more paragraphs, giving absolutely nothing concrete. And to be honest this hn comment section scares me, as it feels like…

It's a "generative culture" according to Westrum's organisational typology. Recognising it as that makes it clear that a) there is actually something to this, b) PG's being less novel here than he thinks, and c) everyone here needs to read more.

Objectively, original post had little to no details in it to link it to any kind of typology.

Sidenote: the fact that someone came up with another typology or classificator does not mean they know how to predict the outcomes in any way. It is the same exact MBTI style of pseudo-science which polluted tech and business world for decades. For someone urging others to read more, you’ve surely read something about the hindsight bias?[0]

0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindsight_bias

Re: Founder Mode

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Counter-example: Reed Hastings, co-founder and the CEO of Netflix for 22 years, famously did the opposite of what pg is saying. Reed insisted on a particular style of employee freedom & responsibility that IMO set the benchmark for innovating year after year and avoiding micro-managers, even as it scaled up past 2000 engineers. This story still has not been fully told. Reed was closely involved but perhaps the opposi…

I think it’s important to gleam some insights from past successes, but ultimately these “case studies” have over factors. For example, the time with which Apple, Netflix, Facebook, and so on, flourished. Where talent existed, what the landscape looked like, is quite possibly totally different than anything today. Take the iPhone: a product so good at a time when there wasn’t much like it. A guaranteed success. You’re…

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