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Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years

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Re: Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years

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This is going to be the point where everyone blame the non interventionist movements for murder for the next thirty years.

But if you intervene you are suddenly responsible for this nation not being the next Switzerland or Singapore for the next few decades.

Re: Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years

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What do you mean by free speech is regressing in anglophone countries? That seems like a weird opinion to have? Do you have a particular example?

Random: https://nypost.com/2024/06/29/world-news/german-woman-given-... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c15gn0lq7p5o (Misogyny to be treated as extremism by UK government) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Act_to_amend_the_Canadian_H... One can easily find examples in all countries. These countries do not have a free speech right in their Constitutions, for example, and no plans to include it.

But that’s good. In cases where your freedom to say whatever you want is used to incite hatred and abuse of others, this freedom is restricted by society. I would say that’s a better system than the US.

Re: Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years

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>It is official: for only the third time in the past 20 years, the un has declared a full-blown famine. Looking into this, it's because the UN will only declare a famine if there's no functioning government. If there is one, they have the government declare a famine. Presumably that's why the UN declared a famine at the refugee camp, not the country or region. This story from last month discusses this aspect. https:/…

The article you linked to says famine was declared in Sudan on 2017. But the situation on 2017 is different from nowadays (to keep it short, at least on 2017, Sudan had a president, and that means a lot in such a country)

> to keep it short, at least on 2017, Sudan had a president, and that means a lot in such a country

Importantly, he's the shit stain most responsible for the current situation. He was your traditional shitty dictator for a few decades but went further - incited a genocide, created a two power structure system (army and a militia, headed by two men that hate each other) to ensure the army isn't strong enough to overthrow him. Well they both worked together to overthrow him, surrendered him to the ICC, and have been at a civil war with bonus genocide ever since.

Re: Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years

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Yes, if nobody currently governs then it is an anarchy. That some people try to establish order doesn't change that currently there is none.

Neither the article author, nor you, have shown that the situation here is caused by a lack of government. In fact the article explicitly states that an important agricultural region is governed by one of the warring factions.

That's because you're misunderstanding what "governed" means here. In the context of the article, it basically means that there are armed men there exercising control over the area, and that's it.

There is no actual governance of the land, agricultural exploitation or oversight, basic services, or anything else.

Just armed men plundering, which is not any actual government control, hence the anarchy there and all around the country. There is a power structure in some places, but only insofar as military control and plunder; everything else is left to its own devices, hence chaotic anarchy.

Re: Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years

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I donate to UNICEF on a monthly basis. These sorts of things are terrible, but I’d like to think donating helps a little. https://www.unicef.org/

I used to. But they give food and vaccines and the population keeps growing exponentially. They don't address the elephant in the room.

Re: Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years

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This ignores historic examples of societies with multiple cultures, religions, etc living peacefully. It doesn't always end well, but are you proposing the solution is to ensure that societies never try?

> This ignores historic examples of societies with multiple cultures, religions, etc living peacefully. Can you give me some examples? My own knowledge of history goes like this: proximity (between cultures / ethnicities) = war.

Vienna, Austria: doing fine.

Re: Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years

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The vultures are there as they always are in such circumstances, what is your point?

That the people shipping weapons to one side or another are not merely vultures but foreigners who nonetheless have an interest in the civil war's outcome, making it not solely Sudanese vs Sudanese

How much personal responsibility do you assign, then? Perhaps if you're handed a gun by an arms executive and go and shoot your neighbour did you shoot them because A: you are diminished and suggestible and couldn't help but be influenced by the vulture B: you had planned to do that anyway but lacked the tools to.

It's interesting where to draw the line though, because it's relevant in the context of violent/-ist content as well - Relevant to the BS going on in the UK atm; we can claim that a "call to violence" is illegal as it well should be, but there is also the personal responsibility of those involved and that is why they're receiving sentences for participating in violent riots.

Re: Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years

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both sides will say they "murder" or "terrorise" as a defence. that’s where the moral question comes from and proving "who shot first" etc.

You can't prove "who shot first" because the answer depends entirely on where history starts. People who want to argue about unanswerable questions like these don't want peace. They just seek justifications for further bloodshed. The actual moral questions are not difficult if you believe a Palestinian life is worth as much as any other life.

Israel has “new historians”, legit society polarisation due to its conduct and handling of the conflict, and over 500.000 demonstrations against Netanyahu’s demonic government.

What do Palestinians have that shows their will to believe an Israeli life is worth as much as any other life? (and Palestinian lives also, especially their children’s)

Re: Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years

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There is not currently a total blockade of all food in Gaza. Afaik, the latest UN statement on Gaza was that there is high risk of famnine, but there is insufficient evidence to conclude one has happened yet. https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/user_upload/ipcinfo/docs/I... There may be food insecurity problems in Gaza, but the current publicly available data seems to suggest that Sudan is much much worse.

There was a total blockade of all food. They waited until the stockpiles were down to zero and people started dying, then they let more food in.

Be wary of "insufficient evidence", because there are few people on the ground to collect evidence. The total number of deaths has been fixed at "about 40,000" since about March, because the institution that was counting the deaths got destroyed and never released a new count.

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