That's not anarchy, obviously
What is it?
Chaos, anomie
Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years
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Re: Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years
#352Earlier quoted context omitted.
You make it sound as if it is not a civil war waged by the Sudanese on the Sudanese.
I don't know anything about it but I would be surprised if each side of the war manufactured their own guns. Foreign powers love to throw a fight.
The vultures are there as they always are in such circumstances, what is your point?
Re: Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years
#353Earlier quoted context omitted.
They’ve had endless civil war essentially for 70 years. Maybe “Sudan” isn’t a real place and the people inhabiting those lands need to sort it out and figure out who rules what. The UN should stop recognizing Sudan as a state as it’s obviously failed. Remove itself from the region and let the people there figure out borders. Rip the Bandai’s off instead of prolonging this idea of Sudan that obviously isn’t real.
That's way different from something like 'what's missing in Sudan is a colonial power to rule them'.
People need to be ruled to maintain order. The alternative is chaos which leads to suffering until order is restored. The colonists ruled competently and maintained order even if your social justice reflex doesn’t feel good about it. What they left, decolonization, is a soft colonization from afar, managed by entities with no skin in it. This is why it’s disorderly and chaos reigns and suffering is a way of life for the people of those lands.
Colonization is preferable to that. However, because that’s not a palatable form of social order today the next best thing is complete abandonment and true self determination to discover where the borders are and who rules them. This will be bloody, yes, but have an outcome that leads to order if not tampered with. That’s preferable to the last 70 years.
Re: Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years
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how much have you donated?
Re: Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years
#355There's this awful semi-famous photograph online of a previous African famine that depicts a man walking past a child who he stole U.N supplied foodstuffs from. This might be naive but what's stopping the U.S, Russia, E.U, China or any capable world power from just air dropping tons of food onto Sudans population centers? You can't tell me Sudan's military has the ability to shoot down advanced aircraft. Am I missing…
> just air dropping tons of food onto Sudans population centers? Super inefficient, but makes for great photos. Good piece on NPR US airdrops of food into Gaza here: "the first thing to understand about airdrops is they are probably the most inefficient possible way to deliver aid. So they're used very, very sparingly and only when there is truly no other way to get aid in. "...ballpark eight to 10 times as expensive…
Air drops might be cheaper than boots on the ground, if that's what it really takes.
I'm not seriously advocating anything. It's a pretty hard problem to solve. Famine in itself, is not so hard, we can solve that with money -- the civil war thing is difficult though.
Re: Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years
#356Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know anything about it but I would be surprised if each side of the war manufactured their own guns. Foreign powers love to throw a fight.
The vultures are there as they always are in such circumstances, what is your point?
That the people shipping weapons to one side or another are not merely vultures but foreigners who nonetheless have an interest in the civil war's outcome, making it not solely Sudanese vs Sudanese
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#357Earlier quoted context omitted.
> why would Gaza get more attention than, say, Yemen, Afghanistan, or Syria? All are somewhat Middle Eastern, after all, so it would be hard for racism to be as much of a factor, if at all. The Palestinian crisis has always gotten more attention in the US because of Israel's close political relationship with the US and Jews having a strong cultural influence in the US especially since WW2. It's similar to the reason…
I don't know who we is but an enormous amount of aid makes it from US to Africa so I don't know how you get by saying we don't care, it's merely not news.
The stuff that makes news is that stuff that people care about (papers report on what matters to their readers). So news coverage acts as a pretty good proxy for either how important or interesting a matter is to a population.
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#358Earlier quoted context omitted.
Works for natural ecosystems because we accept that mass casualties is "normal" in the natural world; if some species doesn't survive a mass fire/drought/etc, welp, that's nature. When millions of people starve to death, we don't accept that. (lol, well, we do accept it, as history has shown us time and time again, but we tend to not want to do nothing)
Agreed. Parent is ignoring the positive effects of intervention while highlighting the negative. USAID funds USD$50b / year, and the US funds UNICEF to the tune of USD$1.4b / year. Which, among other things, supports the polio vaccination campaign being rolled out in Gaza, to prevent a public health catastrophe and possible resurgence of polio in the Middle East. It's easy to say "Let them eat cake" when one is sitti…
And do remind us, who is funding the bombing of Gaza?
Re: Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years
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> Why was the famine in Gaza so hot when Sudan's famine is two orders of magnitude worse? The proclamation by UN is regarding a specific refugee camp (Zamzam) that doesn't have any governance, not Sudan as a whole. Gaza has governance, so any famine in Gaza would be announced by the government there, not UN, as far as I understand things.
No, what happened was that the UN made much noise about a famine in Gaza without actually declaring a famine. This went on from the beginning of the war in October (before Israeli ground operations began) until about April or maybe May. Then, an investigation was conducted, found no famine, and declared how important it is to prevent famine.