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Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years

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Post by asdf6969 »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #266
asdf6969 wrote: post #252

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Have they asked you for help? Mind your own business

Yes. https://www.yesmagazine.org/social-justice/2024/08/02/food-k... https://mutualaidsudan.org/

This has a diagram showing the funding structure with 5 layers of bureaucracy between donors and the recipients of aid. This organization reduces that to 3 (The “coalition” that owns the website -> financial service providers -> mutual aid societies -> actual people in need).

So I ask again, have these people actually requested your help? How do you know what they actually need? Maybe the best solution is a way to gtfo of Sudan and let it collapse. Maybe they want weapons or chickens. I don’t know!

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Post by yunohn »

EasyMark wrote: post #241
yunohn wrote: post #224

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> Completely stay out of their business and let whatever emerges from the chaos develop on its own? This simply never happens. The developed world is constantly putting its nose into everyone else’s business, and through globalization and industrialization, there’s nothing on this world that the Western economy doesn’t touch.

Or China or Russia or …..?

I’m not actually sure which universe you’re referring to, in which the West does not constantly try to interfere with China/Russia and their activities.

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Post by paulddraper »

hnpolicestate wrote: post #298

There's this awful semi-famous photograph online of a previous African famine that depicts a man walking past a child who he stole U.N supplied foodstuffs from. This might be naive but what's stopping the U.S, Russia, E.U, China or any capable world power from just air dropping tons of food onto Sudans population centers? You can't tell me Sudan's military has the ability to shoot down advanced aircraft. Am I missing…

Thousands of tons if you intend to do it over a meaningful time.

And this way of distributing food is virtually worthless without corresponding ground operations.

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Post by Jensson »

yunohn wrote: post #332
EasyMark wrote: post #241

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Or China or Russia or …..?

I’m not actually sure which universe you’re referring to, in which the West does not constantly try to interfere with China/Russia and their activities.

He meant China and Russia are meddling with the world as well.

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Post by AdrianB1 »

marxisttemp wrote: post #253
AdrianB1 wrote: post #185

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This is an excellent option if you are willing to accept hundreds of millions of people will die in the process and that it will take a hundred years or more for that to happen. Development does not happen overnight and it takes a toll. That being said, my impression is that the people leaning left in politics are strongly against non-interventionism. This means it will become a political issue in the countries that…

I think you’ll find it is the right wing who find themselves invariably attracted to war. Unless you’re using “the left” to mean “neoliberals”, as seems to be common among the American right, in which case let me refer you to the first paragraph (since the American Democratic Party is by all measures a right wing party).

I find the left wing in general (not just US) to be etatist. That makes it interventionist in everyone's life by definition.

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Post by paulddraper »

NewJazz wrote: post #256
Jensson wrote: post #239

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Civil wars tend to create anarchy, it is the anarchy that causes the famine wars themselves doesn't inherently do it. For example the American civil war didn't create anarchy, the states continued to function on both sides so there were no mass starvation events.

Anarchy is when two factions try to govern instead of one? It is an interesting take. I can't say it makes sense.

Anarchy is lack of government.

That is one possible consequence of civil war.

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Post by Tuna-Fish »

pvaldes wrote: post #329
insane_dreamer wrote: post #323

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> why would Gaza get more attention than, say, Yemen, Afghanistan, or Syria? All are somewhat Middle Eastern, after all, so it would be hard for racism to be as much of a factor, if at all. The Palestinian crisis has always gotten more attention in the US because of Israel's close political relationship with the US and Jews having a strong cultural influence in the US especially since WW2. It's similar to the reason…

I guess that in part because only a small minority of the Ethiopia citizens own phones.

~60% of Ethiopia's population have a cell phone contract. Given how among the poorer parts of society, only one person in a family has one, that's near 100% penetration.

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Post by dredmorbius »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #68

>It is official: for only the third time in the past 20 years, the un has declared a full-blown famine. Looking into this, it's because the UN will only declare a famine if there's no functioning government. If there is one, they have the government declare a famine. Presumably that's why the UN declared a famine at the refugee camp, not the country or region. This story from last month discusses this aspect. https:/…

NYT ran a recent 'splainer on the who and why of declaring famines as well:

Food insecurity experts working on the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification, or I.P.C., an initiative controlled by U.N. bodies and major relief agencies, identify a famine in an area on the basis of three conditions: 1. At least 20 percent of households face an extreme lack of food. 2. At least 30 percent of children suffer from acute malnutrition. 3. At least two adults or four children for every 10,000 people die each day from starvation or disease linked to malnutrition.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/25/world/middleeast/what-is-...>

Archive / paywall: https://archive.is/Hf5f5>

The classification was created in 2004, and has been used to identify two famines: Somalia (2011) and South Sudan (2017).

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Post by bawolff »

VancouverMan wrote: post #303
bawolff wrote: post #230

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Canada does indeed have free speech (expression) in its constitution. There are limits to speech, but that is true in every country, including the USA (if you dont believe me, try yelling "i have a bomb" in an american airport and see what happens next)

Section 1 and Section 33 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantee that it's useless in practice. This was confirmed by how the Charter did nothing to stop the abuses that Canadians endured from 2020 through 2022.

Which abuses specificly do you think section 33 enabled between 2020 to 2022?

Or if its all section 1, do you feel that any country at all has freedom of speech? I can't think of any country that doesn't have something equivalent to section 1, even if only implicitly. Different countries draw the line somewhat differently, but there are none that dont have some sort of similar limited limits to freedom of speech.

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