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Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by yazzku »

Green_Frog wrote: post #678
threeseed wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because X is not complying with the law in that country. Whether the law is right or not is irrelevant. You either comply or leave.

Brazilian here. We don't have rule of law here anymore. It's a covert dictatorship run at the front end by one judge, Alexandre de Moraes, and a small group of collaborators. He interprets the law however he wants or just outright ignores it in favor of ad hoc absurd interpretations, and there is no one left to judge the "supreme" judge. He effectively figures as accuser, defendant and judge in his own cases, which h…

I've read Greenwald's "Securing Democracy". Is that still an accurate picture of Brazilian politics from your point of view?

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by yazzku »

threeseed wrote: post #342
slowhadoken wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow sounds totalitarian. Maybe it’s for the best that Musk disassociates with Brazil.

The foundation of any society are rules. So unless you think every society is totalitarian your point makes no sense.

The dictatorship of those who think differently than I do.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by Green_Frog »

h4ck_th3_pl4n3t wrote: post #444

Well, the general issue that caused it is disinformation campaigns People that point out Brazil's current state of affairs don't seem to realize that eventually, a ban of unmoderated social networks is inevitable from a legislative standpoint. I wish that X/bluesky/Facebook/etc had something like a clear label next to its users, maybe a robot icon when the post was created via their API or in an automated manner. Tha…

Despite of its original meaning, disinformation has become just a slogan word for content people in power don't want you to see.

The antidote to disinformation isn't moderation, it is true information.

X has advanced more than any other platform with community notes. Tech is the antidote, not more government regulation and centralized power.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by yazzku »

presentation wrote: post #598
FollowingTheDao wrote: post #506

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There is no one entity who has control. It is a combination of the CEO, shareholders, governments, employees, and the customers.

This is true, but following this logic you can’t hold anyone responsible for any negative externalities of their business since nobody can solely be in control. That’s not the world I want to encourage.

"externalities" is precisely the kind of word used by those who evade responsibility.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by netbioserror »

throwadobe wrote: post #643
Adrian_Ferreira wrote: post #287

I'm from Brazil and this judge is totally out of control. I agree that X needs to have a legal representative in Brazil, this is correct anywhere, but he threatened a fine of 200k and imprisonment to the person Musk appointed as representative if his stricture orders were not complied with. He threatened us to pay $9k in fines per day if we use VPN to access X. Unless you are part of the government base, it is diffic…

You can "be from Brazil" and still not understand the matter. Legal decisions are not a matter of "I agree" or "I disagree". They are a matter of law and facts. How exactly was the judge's decision here not in accordance with the law? I'm not "a part of the government base" and I happen to think this decision was lawful. Don't assume everyone who disagrees with you is doing so for political reasons. It would be too s…

Laws are not de facto ethical or morally good on account of being laws.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by Green_Frog »

viburnum wrote: post #274
slowhadoken wrote: post #244

I’m glad I don’t live in Brazil. Why ban X? It makes no sense.

People used it to organize an attempted coup against a democratically elected government and twitter is not cooperating with the investigation.

Coup without firearms. How does that work? Are the people supposed to shout their lungs out until the government decides to step down cooperatively?

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by Green_Frog »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #607
yokoprime wrote: post #508

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This is an excellent example of how statistics can be manipulated. Of course people don’t want to ban a service they use, but if the question had been “is it ok for foreign companies offering services to Brazilian citizens to ignore Brazilian law” the result would probably be different

And it would further be a different result if the question was: "Is it ok for foreign companies offering services to Brazilian citizens to ignore Brazilian law? Even if that company is Twitter and it means you lose access to Twitter?" The average person does not really care about what's right or wrong or fair - just what's in their interest. The average person cannot or does not think - "But what if a bunch of other…

His approval was 37% in March, before most of the worst controversies became known, including an humiliating whatsapp leak. Wouldn't be surprised if it were in the 20s or 10s now.
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