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Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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double standards? https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/modi-twitter-bbc-m... “First I’ve heard,” Musk wrote in response to a question from Canadian lawyer David Freiheit. “It is not possible for me to fix every aspect of Twitter worldwide overnight, while still running Tesla and SpaceX, among other things,” he added, referring to the multiple companies where he is CEO.

>overnight

It's been a year and half.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

#672

I left Xitter about 6 weeks ago and went all in on Bluesky. Took time to give feedback to the algo, but it's doing much better these days. I don't feel like I'm missing out on much, you'll get the same news & events on Bluesky. A lot of people who were scared of losing their following are reporting more, better engagement with lower follower counts. What I really like about it is the ATProto, which while imperfect, s…

Blueskey seems to have all of these neat features that developers/nerds seem to like, but literally nobody else cares about.

The thing other people care about is whether the platform has the people they want to follow on it.

bsky isn't there yet, but it's growing

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

#673

Twitter is 'banned' in Pakistan for very similar reasons (requiring a local representative, requiring censorship, etc) under the guise of 'national security concerns'. We are all still using it via VPN. We get all the govt related info from it, and no one is asking, how come the govt dept themselves are using twitter when it's banned? No one will move to bluesky/threads/mastodon because as I said everyone is on twitt…

What's happening in Pakistan has no bearing on what's happening in Brazil. Just because "twitter is banned" in both countries doesn't mean it was banned for the same reasons or that the ban applies in the same way.

Absolutely, I understand Brazil and Pakistan are two different countries, I just wanted to share my own experiences to provide some interesting insight on how people react to bans.

In Brazil, people are apparently moving to BlueSky, but in my country, we didn't move platforms, we just to jump over the fence via VPNs.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

#674

I left Xitter about 6 weeks ago and went all in on Bluesky. Took time to give feedback to the algo, but it's doing much better these days. I don't feel like I'm missing out on much, you'll get the same news & events on Bluesky. A lot of people who were scared of losing their following are reporting more, better engagement with lower follower counts. What I really like about it is the ATProto, which while imperfect, s…

Blueskey seems to have all of these neat features that developers/nerds seem to like, but literally nobody else cares about.

attractive developer/nerd features often seeds developers to develop for the platform which will end up attracting more users.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

#675

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Users have choice over moderation, it's not necessarily something Bluesky can limit, by design. It's also worth seeing how it plays out with others, while you are still not on the radar. Part of the reason Xitter is getting harsher treatment is because Musk antagonized. That's not the best way to negotiate, especially since he said he'd abide by local rules, like how he said he'd be better for free speech.

I'm not sure I understand. Are you trying to say if a judge says "you must stop displaying this content" Bluesky will argue "we can't do that"? I think Bluesky would get banned.

Bluesky could implement it in their moderation service, but that does not mean users in Brazil would be impacted by it.

Users could swap moderation service or swap interfaces

The one thing that could happen is the PDS deleting the record for everyone, everywhere

One thing to separate is Bluesky from ATProto. Bluesky is the default implementation of the 4 core pieces, but one could use alternatives for all of them as well and still have their content show up in the bsky app. Imagine if Twitter was open source and federated

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

#676

I like Bluesky, its devs, and its tech. I even built a third-party web client for it in Solid.js. But I find Bluesky to be too toxic. There's too much unwanted nudity, even if all my filters are turned on.

I have never seen any nudity on bsky and I've been using it for more than a year

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

#677

I like Bluesky, its devs, and its tech. I even built a third-party web client for it in Solid.js. But I find Bluesky to be too toxic. There's too much unwanted nudity, even if all my filters are turned on.

Now this is how you do guerrilla marketing.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

#678

I’m glad I don’t live in Brazil. Why ban X? It makes no sense.

Because X is not complying with the law in that country. Whether the law is right or not is irrelevant. You either comply or leave.

Brazilian here. We don't have rule of law here anymore. It's a covert dictatorship run at the front end by one judge, Alexandre de Moraes, and a small group of collaborators. He interprets the law however he wants or just outright ignores it in favor of ad hoc absurd interpretations, and there is no one left to judge the "supreme" judge. He effectively figures as accuser, defendant and judge in his own cases, which he of course rules in his own favor, establishes new executive agencies with no legal basis, threatens any deputy or senator that dares criticise him with incarceration, bankruptcy, or social social media banning, with no due trial or legal basis, and in absolute legal secrecy, which should be illegal by itself, but so it goes.

Not even 10% of his insanity arrives untouched by editorialization in the Northern Hemisphere, you're being fed a polished, low bandwidth version of our affairs here, mostly because Brazil isn't a key enough global player for anyone to care, but also out of typical political bias. Glenn Greenwald has been attempting to bridge that gap, and has done as good of a job as possible so far.

The checks and balances in our jurisdiction are sufficiently tenuous that, with a relatively small group of people in key positions of power, you can gate-keep any viable democratic venues for impeaching him. A new profile on X called "Alexandre Files" is beginning to post his unlawful rulings.

His approval was 37% in March of this year, when most of the centrists were still openly with him, and most of the recent major scandals hadn't come into full play yet. Now that even the moderate part of the left is denouncing the blatant illegalities on his part, moreover after a leak of his whatsapp group, it wouldn't surprise me to be in the low 20s or even 10s now. Even major national left-wing publications are coming against him now, and I believe it's a matter of time before international media catches up.

He essentially used Bolsonaro supporter's rebellion as an excuse to impose a dictatorship of the judiciary in the name of "saving democracy". Those people indeed had to be judged for the crime of violating public property, but being unarmed, it's impossible to characterize a coup. This whole thing is a circus.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

#679

Well, the general issue that caused it is disinformation campaigns People that point out Brazil's current state of affairs don't seem to realize that eventually, a ban of unmoderated social networks is inevitable from a legislative standpoint. I wish that X/bluesky/Facebook/etc had something like a clear label next to its users, maybe a robot icon when the post was created via their API or in an automated manner. Tha…

> Well, the general issue that caused it is disinformation campaigns

> a ban of unmoderated social networks is inevitable from a legislative standpoint.

I am surprised this even needs to be stated; either 15 or 18 years ago I made the mistake of creating a phpBB forum instance for my shareware, and it was a rounding error from 100% of signups being spammers.

The only difference between spam and disinformation is economic vs political power.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

#680

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was no coup. There was a protest. The protesters wanted the military to enact a coup. And the military did not attempt a coup. You simply cannot claim that elderly people with bibles and flags amounts to a coup or even an attempt at one. This was discussed at length only two days ago. If you disagree with this, just refer to this comment thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41387024 My account is rate l…

Asking for a coup IS an attempted coup

I don't think so. It's just a political position. Those people would rather the military ruled over them.
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