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Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by throwaway48476 »

tootie wrote: post #644
throwaway48476 wrote: post #222

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And what would happen if they did not comply? It's sort of like the mafia 'suggesting' you make a donation. Or a politician 'suggesting' a donation for expedited service. Which is legal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgUvwcU6P7I

That's a stretch. They could have decided twitter was non compliant and started treating them a little less gently but would they order content be removed or issue fines or some other direct punishment? Probably not.

This is a failure of imagination.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/27/schumer-intelligence-ag...

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by lanstin »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #607
yokoprime wrote: post #508

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This is an excellent example of how statistics can be manipulated. Of course people don’t want to ban a service they use, but if the question had been “is it ok for foreign companies offering services to Brazilian citizens to ignore Brazilian law” the result would probably be different

And it would further be a different result if the question was: "Is it ok for foreign companies offering services to Brazilian citizens to ignore Brazilian law? Even if that company is Twitter and it means you lose access to Twitter?" The average person does not really care about what's right or wrong or fair - just what's in their interest. The average person cannot or does not think - "But what if a bunch of other…

I know a fair number of people and most of them do visibly struggle with what is right or wrong at times. Cooperation is very much a mainstay of human behavior. Or of course some people believe that what is good is also in their own interest, long term and considering the effect posing what you believe is wrong has on your own self. They do things believing them to be good and also in their interests. But they certainly don't ignore what is good.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by verdverm »

m3kw9 wrote: post #150
verdverm wrote: post #70

I left Xitter about 6 weeks ago and went all in on Bluesky. Took time to give feedback to the algo, but it's doing much better these days. I don't feel like I'm missing out on much, you'll get the same news & events on Bluesky. A lot of people who were scared of losing their following are reporting more, better engagement with lower follower counts. What I really like about it is the ATProto, which while imperfect, s…

It also looks like Twitter but with none of the content

(1) people bring content over through screenshots and mirror accounts

(2) There is plenty of equivalent content

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by makeworld »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #77

Hopefully the growth of Bluesky doesn't get crazy. It's handy for Twitter to keep the eternal September types in a sort of quarantine. Grandparents on Facebook, culture wars and spam/scams/porn on Twitter. It's best if there's no single monolithic "winner" in the exodus from Twitter because that community would descend into the same patterns of stupidity that are unavoidable past a certain community size. The next ph…

That's what the fediverse is all about! :)

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Post by verdverm »

gr__or wrote: post #418
verdverm wrote: post #70

I left Xitter about 6 weeks ago and went all in on Bluesky. Took time to give feedback to the algo, but it's doing much better these days. I don't feel like I'm missing out on much, you'll get the same news & events on Bluesky. A lot of people who were scared of losing their following are reporting more, better engagement with lower follower counts. What I really like about it is the ATProto, which while imperfect, s…

I was wondering these days if something like this could exist. Can one follow along somewhere?

swap bsky for blebbit in the url bar

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Post by CleanRoomClub »

Retr0id wrote: post #151
declan_roberts wrote: post #115

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Blueskey seems to have all of these neat features that developers/nerds seem to like, but literally nobody else cares about.

That's my favourite thing about it, really. It's very interesting at the technical level, but regular users simply do not need to care about any of that. They're adopting it anyway because it works . Most other "interesting protocol" projects are used exclusively by interesting-protocol enthusiasts.

Are regular users adopting it? I’d never even heard of BlueSky before this thread.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by AlienRobot »

verdverm wrote: post #221
jazzyjackson wrote: post #164

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> not something gov'ts and regulations have thought thoroughly about Not trying to be combative but I find this mode of thinking is likely to backfire, governments don't have to think they can just act - has bsky thought seriously about what their response will be to the same laws that X is suffering from?

Users have choice over moderation, it's not necessarily something Bluesky can limit, by design. It's also worth seeing how it plays out with others, while you are still not on the radar. Part of the reason Xitter is getting harsher treatment is because Musk antagonized. That's not the best way to negotiate, especially since he said he'd abide by local rules, like how he said he'd be better for free speech.

I'm not sure I understand. Are you trying to say if a judge says "you must stop displaying this content" Bluesky will argue "we can't do that"?

I think Bluesky would get banned.

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Post by ben_w »

roenxi wrote: post #335
diffeomorphism wrote: post #330

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"Politically affiliated" is something very different than "political".

If you figure out what that difference is, let me know. The tech scene has been decidedly liberal (old school liberal, nowadays people maybe call that libertarian) and as political as it can be since the start. There has been a trend where other political cultures are getting involved too since ... probably the Obama campaign was when politicians really started noticing that spreading messages through the internet wa…

"Political" is anything related to inter-personal power in society, and can be anything from maintaining a homeowner's association bylaws to international spy-craft and assassinations, and is so broad as to be unavoidable in human behaviour.

"Political affiliation" is much narrower and comes with a specific named politician or political party — even if they're not going to get in, such as Lord Buckethead or the Green Party of America.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by verdverm »

energy123 wrote: post #325
verdverm wrote: post #70

I left Xitter about 6 weeks ago and went all in on Bluesky. Took time to give feedback to the algo, but it's doing much better these days. I don't feel like I'm missing out on much, you'll get the same news & events on Bluesky. A lot of people who were scared of losing their following are reporting more, better engagement with lower follower counts. What I really like about it is the ATProto, which while imperfect, s…

I want a social network like X/BlueSky but it uses a community notes style algorithm to decide what content to show me instead of raw engagement. Should get rid of the trolls as Paul Graham wants to happen.

Anyone on the ATProto network can write such an algorithm and use it in the Bluesky app. They even have open source starter code on their github

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by stale2002 »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #92
verdverm wrote: post #62

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ATProto actually separates moderation from PDS or App View. Users can choose which labellers they prefer and can even combine them, separate from where they host their data or the UI they choose to use. https://bsky.social/about/blog/03-12-2024-stackable-moderati... They do the same for feeds, 4 core components, with user choice and interoperability for each

So what levers does that give governments seeking to get compliance out of an internet service - if multiple apps are hosting anti-party propaganda the government has to block the domains of each app ? Or, perhaps the domains of the content itself is blocked so apps continue to work but fail to load content within certain borders ?

The answer is that the government won't have many levels to pull to censor content on the internet.

I think that people are are celebrating the ban of X, and moving to decentralized platforms, forgot that the whole point of decentralization is to make censorship difficult.

When you move to bluesky, you just support an even more free version of twitter.

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