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Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by extheat »

fjkdlsjflkds wrote: post #367
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not exactly. X had a local representative who was threatened by this judge issuing illegal censorship orders. It’s not that they refused to appoint a representative but that they had to get rid of all their employees and legal representation in Brazil because the judge was going after them as individuals, making it impossible for X to challenge what they viewed as unconstitutional orders to censor speech. The root of…

> This is unconstitutional in Brazil per article 5 of the 1988 constitution, so X refused the orders. This is unconstitutional according to their interpretation of the (very extensive and vague) article 5 of the 1998 constitution, maybe. At the same time, if you disagree with a judicial order, you probably should appeal the order, rather than refuse/ignore it. Ignoring judicial orders has consequences. > Note that th…

Yes and appeal to whom? Himself, who’s clearly shown himself to be a partisan? Why even need an executive when your judiciary can basically unilaterally function as executive be a legislator in one? Obviously they’re is not the US, but that’s not an excuse to a ridiculous system.

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Post by croes »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #255
croes wrote: post #116

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You mean the fake news that lead to this? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Brazilian_Congress_atta...

I mean people's speech. Whether their speech is "fake" or not is up to me to determine. I don't want any ministries of truth determining that for me. Especially not one manned by these partisan judges. And "this" as in a protest? Like countless others before? Whatever. You're not gonna call it a coup, right? Even the Wikipedia article you cited doesn't call it one.

The don't call it protest either.

They call it attack and invasion.

The reason why it isn't called a coup is be cause they failed.

And it's not the ministry of truth but multiple independent sources in and outside Brazil.

At a certain point something is obviously fake. And if it's spreading violence it reached the limit of free speech.

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Post by carlosjobim »

welshwelsh wrote: post #275
riverrunn01 wrote: post #223

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Nope Im Brazilian. And all of this started way before. These orders were not imbalanced -- the blocking of X accounts -- (Ok VPN now is). Musk after several court decisions decided to not comply, even after all involved received due process. It's not, in the slightest, censorship at all. What really happened was violation of ellection rules on daily basis, specially on X but many other social also were fined. META, T…

A court ordering for social media accounts to be blocked is censorship, no question about that. If there are "election rules" that regulate what can be posted online, that's censorship. Even if people are inciting violence or formenting revolution, banning them is censorship. Most governments participate in censorship, and most people are OK with some level of censorship. But Brazil's constitution guarantees freedom…

You are down voted by people who don't understand what the word censorship means. The problem is that the censors don't call it "censorship" anymore, for vanity reasons. Leading us into this dumb modern discourse. The same thing with the word "propaganda", that is misinterpreted to always mean something bad.

Each day the popular vocabulary shrinks more and more, until we're back at cave man levels. Tower of Babylon.

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Post by FranzFerdiNaN »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #341
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #328

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> Twitter was already super partisan long before he took it over Sure. But Elon changed teams. He used to be bipartisan. But he chose a champion in the aftermath of Covid and--by the looks of it--he's chosen a bad one. (In an alternate universe where Musk stuck to what he's good at, I could see the entire Artemis programme being delegated to SpaceX and a bipartisan adoption of Tesla as America's EV standard bearer. I…

I think people see Musk differently from how he actually is. Or at least how he sees himself. He has always said, for many years, that he got into SpaceX to work towards the goal of making humans a multiplanetary species, and he got into electric cars to work towards the goal of having a sustainable energy society. I think he legitimately believes that “the woke mind virus” is an existential threat to our society, an…

He believes the woke mind virus is a threat because he has a trans kid.

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Post by fdgjgbdfhgb »

mlindner wrote: post #135

This is all very unfortunate. It's sad to see liberalism dying in Brazil in real time. The very little reported thing is that this judge also installed a fine of something like $8000 per month (more than double the top percentile salary) for anyone using a VPN and also demanded that Apple and Google remove X and any VPNs from their app stores. Brazil is rapidly turning into a police state.

The VPN part was almost immediately overturned, but it is concerning that it was included in the first place

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Post by ilikehurdles »

edmundsauto wrote: post #211
braunjohnson wrote: post #53

I remain surprised at how casually people will step over the free speech dead body so they can hate on people the media at large has maligned. Regardless of what you think of Musk, where's your outrage over this blatant authoritarianism?

Is it acceptable for foreign owned entities to not follow the rules of a country? I think, probably not - the choice is to follow the regulations or to not be there, like Meta in China.

A totalitarian leader flagrantly violating his own country's constitution is now "the rules of a country" probably because the guy you dislike is associated with the other side.

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Post by extheat »

slashdave wrote: post #142
Laaas wrote: post #31

They will ban Bluesky too if it gets too popular .

Not so sure. I mean, as long as Bluesky doesn't just simply ignore a judge. Also, there has been some backlash.

Bluesky isn’t a centralized service, the developers cannot themselves comply with judicial orders (any of them).

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Post by croes »

Pedro_Ribeiro wrote: post #258
croes wrote: post #149

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If the side wants violence and a Coup d'État by the military it's definitely the wrong side.

Curious about what your opinion of the Venezuela elections.

Given what they did to hinder the opposition before the election I would say as free and fair as in Russia.

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Post by carlosjobim »

riverrunn01 wrote: post #230
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #203

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You do not understand Brazilian rule of law at all. WE have a specific bill that regulate specifically the internet and social media. We have a penal code that assure that freedom of speech it's not absolute. You do not have the right to be racis (for instance if you wear a nazi flag or post nazi content you go to jail). In 2021 the supreme court established a dept exactly to study and create legal mechanisms to unde…

> You do not understand Brazilian rule of law at all.

Seems like the poster understands the law part fine, but not the rule part.

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