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Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by pfannkuchen »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #328
nox101 wrote: post #322

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so strange for you to blame this on Musk. Twitter was already super partisan long before he took it over

> Twitter was already super partisan long before he took it over Sure. But Elon changed teams. He used to be bipartisan. But he chose a champion in the aftermath of Covid and--by the looks of it--he's chosen a bad one. (In an alternate universe where Musk stuck to what he's good at, I could see the entire Artemis programme being delegated to SpaceX and a bipartisan adoption of Tesla as America's EV standard bearer. I…

I think people see Musk differently from how he actually is. Or at least how he sees himself.

He has always said, for many years, that he got into SpaceX to work towards the goal of making humans a multiplanetary species, and he got into electric cars to work towards the goal of having a sustainable energy society.

I think he legitimately believes that “the woke mind virus” is an existential threat to our society, and if that threat isn’t addressed then the other goals don’t matter because society will collapse before they can be realized.

From a near term business perspective his political actions are dumb, but from a personal motivation perspective they make total sense.

Or in other words, Musk is primarily driven by a savior complex, not greed (which is unfortunate for investors).

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by threeseed »

slowhadoken wrote: post #296
threeseed wrote: post #291

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Because X is not complying with the law in that country. Whether the law is right or not is irrelevant. You either comply or leave.

Wow sounds totalitarian. Maybe it’s for the best that Musk disassociates with Brazil.

The foundation of any society are rules.

So unless you think every society is totalitarian your point makes no sense.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by [deleted] »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #152
croes wrote: post #106

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Isn't it about the people who invaded government buildings on January 8 2923 because they claimed Jair Bolsonaro won the election much like the January 6 attack in the USA after Trump lost? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Brazilian_Congress_atta... The same people who wanted to overthrow the government and wanted a coup d'état by the military? I doubt that the US government would differently in such cases. And T…

As far as I'm aware, the American government has never ordered a social media platform to ban certain accounts. Even mild government suggestions about social media content are quite controversial in the US.

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Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #341
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Twitter was already super partisan long before he took it over Sure. But Elon changed teams. He used to be bipartisan. But he chose a champion in the aftermath of Covid and--by the looks of it--he's chosen a bad one. (In an alternate universe where Musk stuck to what he's good at, I could see the entire Artemis programme being delegated to SpaceX and a bipartisan adoption of Tesla as America's EV standard bearer. I…

I think people see Musk differently from how he actually is. Or at least how he sees himself. He has always said, for many years, that he got into SpaceX to work towards the goal of making humans a multiplanetary species, and he got into electric cars to work towards the goal of having a sustainable energy society. I think he legitimately believes that “the woke mind virus” is an existential threat to our society, an…

> he legitimately believes that “the woke mind virus” is an existential threat to our society

Sure. I don't think he's a hypocrite. He has, however, hyper fixated on a topic that's in vogue in tech circles but totally irrelevant elsewhere.

Unlike in technology, where one can credibly fail upwards, doing that in politics comes at the cost of influence. And in this block order we're seeing, tangibly, the consequences of Elon Musk's deteriorating influence.

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Post by bad_user »

ikmckenz wrote: post #303
throwadobe wrote: post #162

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Freedom of speech is a general conception of human rights, not any one particular law. Governments can choose to respect (or not!) those rights, but the idea applies to everyone.

When it comes to human rights, unfortunately, the notion got perverted by USSR and its allies.

The difference between the US and the rest of the world is that the US has the First Amendment, which it upholds. So, for example, in the US "hate speech" is not banned, and while inciting violence is banned, it must be literal incitement:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_in_the_United_Stat...

This is important, because freedom of speech was supposedly allowed behind the Iron Curtain as well, as long as it wasn't "going against the socialist order" or "promoting fascism" (with capitalism or social democracy being just light fascism). Various countries found ways to pay lip service to human rights, while being authoritarian.

Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by [deleted] »

roenxi wrote: post #335
diffeomorphism wrote: post #330

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"Politically affiliated" is something very different than "political".

If you figure out what that difference is, let me know. The tech scene has been decidedly liberal (old school liberal, nowadays people maybe call that libertarian) and as political as it can be since the start. There has been a trend where other political cultures are getting involved too since ... probably the Obama campaign was when politicians really started noticing that spreading messages through the internet wa…

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Post by EnigmaFlare »

sega_sai wrote: post #157
declan_roberts wrote: post #122

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You believe the riots in UK are because of twitter? People are living in parallel universes.

They were to large extent provoked by misinformation about the attacker on kids party. The misinformation stayed on twitter for long time and was spread out by many people including Musk.

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Re: Brazil's X ban is sending lots of people to Bluesky

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

JCharante wrote: post #307
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #266

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> by this judge issuing illegal censorship orders If the order is illegal you show that in court. U.S. district courts constantly issue illegal orders. There is a massive difference between appealing for an emergency stay and just blowing off the court. (Musk is a brilliant entrepreneur. He has given zero shits about the rule of law across his career, domestically or abroad.) At the end of the day, both sides in this…

I mean, let’s be real. X isn’t profitable so does retaining a bunch of users from a country with relatively low disposable income really matter? I fully support Brazil banning X because a country can do whatever they want, but let’s not pretend X owes Brazil anything. Brazil is irrelevant to X and countries that act like dictators deserve to be ignored by foreign companies. It’s hilarious to see Brazil play their car…

> X isn’t profitable so does retaining a bunch of users from a country with relatively low disposable income really matter?

Oh, I totally agree with you. But they're not worth negative money. This was a cheap stunt for both sides to pull off. But it's still a stunt. X's TAM has been cut. Brazil's reputation harmed. But both men have personal interests that make those costs worth it, and there isn't anyone in their respective domains who can check them.

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Post by [deleted] »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #64

“Masterful gambit, sir.” (X is facing a deep decline in revenue, cutting its valuation from $44B to ~$12B [Musk’s stake is worth ~$7B], and Musk makes a choice that drives millions of users to an alternate site: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/twitters-revenue-collapses-84... )

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