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Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by stopsandgoes »

c22 wrote: post #373
lolinder wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the majority of signal-controlled intersections with city limits there's plenty of visibility even (or dare I say especially ) at 3am and the scanning can happen as you approach. (Also, the kind of rolling stop I'm talking about isn't a 5mph roll, it's a near-stop that feels like a stop to the driver but technically doesn't actually bring the tires to stationary. Odds are even you have done this kind of stop prett…

Odds are I haven't since I'm always careful to stop twice when turning right on red. (Once before the crosswalk, and again at the far side of the crosswalk to check for cross traffic before executing the turn.)

Have you ever been rear-ended, stopping twice like that?

I have.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by XorNot »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #250
mft_ wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m struggling to understand your point, or to imagine many examples which support it. I agree that brief minor parking infringements may occasionally make people’s lives more efficient; but I can’t think of any examples where traffic lights and speed limits need to be routinely disregarded?

It's sometimes safer to speed up 5mph over the limit to get through a yellow light, than to slam your brakes with someone behind you. It's frequently safer to speed to match people speeding around you then to match the stated speed limit (usually on freeways).

Speed cameras aren't installed at intersections though.

You are railing against an example which doesn't exist.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by kshmir »

harmmonica wrote: post #247

As a somewhat regular user of Waymo, these types of conversations seem like they're going to be more and more in the (sorry!) rearview mirror because we won't own the car nor the cameras that are recording the world as we "drive" around. That's not to say that we should give up fighting for some level of privacy even when we don't own the cars, but seems more likely that legislation would be passed that forces the ve…

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Post by azthecx »

throwaway22032 wrote: post #377
rblatz wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this plays out where it becomes a luxury to drive oneself. Over the next 10-15 years it looks like self driving will continue to advance and will likely become safer than the alternative. Once that happens insurance companies will start charging more for people that drive themselves compared to people that let the car drive. I can see some states outlawing that practice. Then it’s left to see who is still und…

I agree with you that driving manually will become a luxury but it's important to recognise that it will manifest as a discount on self driving, not a surcharge on manual. The only way in which I can see a surcharge on manual happening is if it becomes so incredibly rare that it becomes a niche product, or if there ends up being a bias e.g. it turns out that the pool of manual drivers is now biased towards people who…

And historically has this competitive market manifested itself? Or have insurance companies instead vastly changed from their 'distributed risk' origins and instead act more as corporate entities with profits at the forefront, where the moment you actually use them the cost of being insured rises?

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by XorNot »

mauvehaus wrote: post #298
askvictor wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are both problems caused by poor driving (other peoples' in this case). Maybe with a traffic law panopticon everyone would drive better and these would disappear

This is actually a problem with speed limits that don't match the road or alternatively, roads that aren't designed to incentivize people driving the intended speed. In theory, the speed limit should be set to the 80th or 85th percentile speed of traffic, and the road should be engineered so that the 80th percentile speed is appropriate to the surroundings. https://www.mikeontraffic.com/85th-percentile-speed-explaine…

I'm extremely skeptical of this idea of "speed limits which don't match the road" unless people are arguing them down. Because the whole point is that people reliably overestimate their driving ability, and thus overestimate the safe rate of travel on a road.

The road I live on displays this all the time, and that's just an advisory road: the speed limit going down the winding slope near my house is about 50 kmh...that is probably the absolute maximum you can navigate those turns at in perfect conditions, and in reality it's considerably slower - and there are steep embankments either side, so if you lose control your car is at the mercy as to whether or not a tree will stop it plunging over the edge.

Anyway, there's been a fair number of damaged cars and one near miss from said creek plunge in the 2 years I've lived here.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by hansvm »

harmmonica wrote: post #247

As a somewhat regular user of Waymo, these types of conversations seem like they're going to be more and more in the (sorry!) rearview mirror because we won't own the car nor the cameras that are recording the world as we "drive" around. That's not to say that we should give up fighting for some level of privacy even when we don't own the cars, but seems more likely that legislation would be passed that forces the ve…

> freedom crowd might fight it

Look at the 2020 covid vaccines. The freedom crowd said this was going to have massive privacy implications, there was a propaganda machine pushing those people as being crazy antivaxers (maybe many were, let's talk about the large subset who just had privacy concerns), and the net result is that most US citizens have their names, addresses, preferred vaccination locations, preferred vaccination times, propensity for following local regulations, ..., recorded in a database so broken it's basically public.

The freedom crowd didn't have a lot of power against a propaganda machine turning their neighbors against them. Tack in a few dozens of billions from Tesla or Google claiming their cars are safer than the average driver (in well-studied, dry, daylight, slow streets) and using that to push anyone unwilling to roll that tech out globally as a road-raged Luddite, and I'm not sure the freedom crowd are going to be able to do much to slow down our corporate overlords.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by jsjohnst »

XorNot wrote: post #392
xboxnolifes wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's sometimes safer to speed up 5mph over the limit to get through a yellow light, than to slam your brakes with someone behind you. It's frequently safer to speed to match people speeding around you then to match the stated speed limit (usually on freeways).

Speed cameras aren't installed at intersections though. You are railing against an example which doesn't exist.

That is quite literally not true. Many states have speed cameras at intersections.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by telcal »

cryptoegorophy wrote: post #15
darth_avocado wrote: post #4

I used to keep my Sentry mode on all the time. Then my car got broken into twice. The police didn’t bother to follow up despite having a video footage of what happened. Now I never turn it on. And now police wants to tow vehicles for the footage.

It saved me $2000 bill by recording a hit an runner

It saved me a lot more. I was parked on my street and a garbage truck sideswiped the front driver side corner. The truck driver said it wasn't his fault and the car was parked too far from the curb but the videos showed what really happened.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by lolinder »

c22 wrote: post #373
lolinder wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the majority of signal-controlled intersections with city limits there's plenty of visibility even (or dare I say especially ) at 3am and the scanning can happen as you approach. (Also, the kind of rolling stop I'm talking about isn't a 5mph roll, it's a near-stop that feels like a stop to the driver but technically doesn't actually bring the tires to stationary. Odds are even you have done this kind of stop prett…

Odds are I haven't since I'm always careful to stop twice when turning right on red. (Once before the crosswalk, and again at the far side of the crosswalk to check for cross traffic before executing the turn.)

The second stop is legally irrelevant—if your first stop is insufficient you've run the red as far as the camera is concerned.

The second stop may actually be illegal in its own right depending on the state.

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