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Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by lucb1e »

dylan604 wrote: post #73
gruez wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Very much this. Towing by the police should only be something done when the car is in violation of something. If the police has a search warrant for your home and you're not there, they can break in, even if you're not "in violation of something". I don't see how this is any different.

I don't have to make arrangements to go get my home when it is searched. Also, if you're searching my house, more than likely, I'm directly involved in something. They don't break into my house to get my Ring footage, which is much more equivalent in your attempt equating these disparate concepts. You've now made an innocent civilian incur ridiculous fees to get their car out of impound when there was no reason to im…

> I don't have to make arrangements to go get my home when it is searched

Yeah but you no longer have a front door or window when you get there (the person spoke of them breaking in if you're not home), so you have to make other types of arrangements

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by xyzzy123 »

Sebb767 wrote: post #285
rbalicki wrote: post #270

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I'm honestly surprised that businesses in shady areas don't have ubiquitous cameras around their properties and signs that "just do your crime one block away, that's all I ask". (Presumably that invites vandalism and there are consequently practical issues, but has no one pulled this off?)

With cars, you have a license plate that will usually lead you to the owner. Identifying some random person, possibly with a hood, on noisy camera night vision is a lot harder; when you don't have a reasonably small pool of suspects, it's basically impossible. Even if it would be possible to identify people with a combination of cell phone area warrants and/or by following all cameras around, this level of effort wou…

It's often a small pool of "suspects" though. Like "same group/person it was the last 3 times".

I think most camera operators make peace with the idea that randos / one offs probably can't be identified. What really aggravates people is repeated behaviour. Many people who install cameras particularly want to know "am I being targeted" vs "this is a random thing".

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by LinuxBender »

repeekad wrote: post #277
mft_ wrote: post #236

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I’m struggling to understand your point, or to imagine many examples which support it. I agree that brief minor parking infringements may occasionally make people’s lives more efficient; but I can’t think of any examples where traffic lights and speed limits need to be routinely disregarded?

You clearly haven’t received a letter in the mail for $250 because a camera saw you barely not fully stop for a red light right turn at 3am with zero traffic A human in the loop needs to be the first line of defense, if an officer isn’t willing to be in the field to issue the ticket and show up in court to defend it then there shouldn’t be a ticket in the first place, full stop

Or the cases when you are on a motorcycle at 3am and the road sensors don't sense you so at the advise of a police officer, you carefully and safely run the red light. I think we know what's going to happen. I've come to the conclusion that most of the dystopian movies about robots and automation are just [spoilers].

Either way I moved to a very rural and remote location. One of my many hopes is that it will buy enough time for urban and suburban areas to duke it out in courts for a couple decades before I have to deal with the fallout.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by LinuxBender »

mullingitover wrote: post #154
lr4444lr wrote: post #31

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I doubt it'd tell them any more than they already know. These drivers tend to have been given citations already. The real money would be in giving civilians whose footage leads to a successful prosecution for moving violations a percentage of the fine. NYC already has something like this for people who catch too-long idling trucks and photograph/video record it.

> The real money would be in giving civilians whose footage leads to a successful prosecution for moving violations a percentage of the fine. I've heard lots of talk of civil war in this country, but this is the first serious plan I've seen for how to start one.

Here is a short film proposing just that. [1]

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJYaXy5mmA8 [video][15 mins]

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by savrajsingh »

Free feature idea: - Tesla needs a public facing website that allows anyone to request a video for a cost — any location at any point in time - vehicle owners can review video footage and approve request - vehicle owner gets a cut, Tesla gets a cut, authority or person in fender bender or whatever gets video

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by mixtureoftakes »

akira2501 wrote: post #303
darth_avocado wrote: post #4

I used to keep my Sentry mode on all the time. Then my car got broken into twice. The police didn’t bother to follow up despite having a video footage of what happened. Now I never turn it on. And now police wants to tow vehicles for the footage.

I was watching a youtube video about the "Kia Boys." A group of young men who made a lifestyle out of stealing Kia vehicles with flawed anti theft systems installed. What interested me is that they make a habit of connecting their personal phone to the entertainment systems of vehicles they steal. They then use the large list of connected devices in their phone to brag about their stature as criminals. Which is hilar…

all while some people spend their entire lives obsessing about privacy without even doing anything illegal...

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by ClassyJacket »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #250
mft_ wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m struggling to understand your point, or to imagine many examples which support it. I agree that brief minor parking infringements may occasionally make people’s lives more efficient; but I can’t think of any examples where traffic lights and speed limits need to be routinely disregarded?

It's sometimes safer to speed up 5mph over the limit to get through a yellow light, than to slam your brakes with someone behind you. It's frequently safer to speed to match people speeding around you then to match the stated speed limit (usually on freeways).

You don't ever need to slam on your brakes or speed up for yellow lights, that's the entire point of the yellow light existing instead of just going straight to red.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by try_the_bass »

repeekad wrote: post #295
askvictor wrote: post #284

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Were you in that much of a hurry to not be able to wait 30 seconds for the traffic light?

That’s not the point, a surveillance state where the panopticon autonomously gives $250 tickets is the issue Rules aren’t meant to be cold hard algorithms to blindly punish people with; we wouldn’t automate a judge with an algorithm why is it somehow different to automate a police officer with one?

Why is that not the point?

You violated a law and received a penalty. You're not disputing that you violated said law, but are instead trying to justify it with "barely didn't stop" and "it's 3am and there is no traffic".

Isn't the point that you got punished for doing something you would have gotten away with had no one been watching?

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by lolinder »

c22 wrote: post #333
lolinder wrote: post #300

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We're talking about a rolling right turn on red, not crossing the whole intersection on red. The turn is allowed but the camera took issue with how much of a stop came first. I don't know very many drivers who wouldn't recognize that camera behavior at 3:00 in the morning as unreasonable.

Why not just come to a full stop? It's presumably dark out at 3am so you may have missed a pedestrian or a vehicle with no headlights. It only takes an extra second or two to stop and look around.

At the majority of signal-controlled intersections with city limits there's plenty of visibility even (or dare I say especially) at 3am and the scanning can happen as you approach.

(Also, the kind of rolling stop I'm talking about isn't a 5mph roll, it's a near-stop that feels like a stop to the driver but technically doesn't actually bring the tires to stationary. Odds are even you have done this kind of stop pretty regularly without realizing it, and even a cop wouldn't even notice it as incorrect unless they were actively looking for someone to ticket.)

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by nothercastle »

There are already plenty of cameras out there. It would not be very difficult to identify criminals. The problem is there is not sufficient motivation to do so and nobody knows what to do once the criminals are identified. My city just practices catch and release policing so laws only apply to those that will pay fines
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