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Alexander Grothendieck

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Re: Alexander Grothendieck

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

sorry, that's not a prime because 3*19

It's a joke. "Although fifty-seven is not prime, it is jokingly known as the Grothendieck prime after a legend according to which the mathematician Alexander Grothendieck supposedly gave it as an example of a particular prime number." [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/57_(number)#In_mathematics

it's surrounded by 53 and 59 which is a twin with 61 then 67

but the fun part is how the same happens to these four numbers -30

so 23, 29 twin with 31 then 37

my problem is that I don't know why this would be important

Re: Alexander Grothendieck

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Nothing forgotten about him. His work is foundational to modern algebraic geometry and there’s no mathematician who doesn’t know who he is.

Right? It's baffling.

The title is specifically referring to a possible reassessment of his later, quasi-mystical writings, post retirement from mathematics in 1970.

It’s a bit too long for the HN title submission but the actual article title in the Guardian is

“ ‘He was in mystic delirium’: was this hermit mathematician a forgotten genius whose ideas could transform AI – or a lonely madman?”

Re: Alexander Grothendieck

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right? It's baffling.

The title is specifically referring to a possible reassessment of his later, quasi-mystical writings, post retirement from mathematics in 1970. It’s a bit too long for the HN title submission but the actual article title in the Guardian is “ ‘He was in mystic delirium’: was this hermit mathematician a forgotten genius whose ideas could transform AI – or a lonely madman?”

Why not both? Crazy people can be smart. As for mystic delirium well that's our modern sensibilities talking. Hell there are people today who believe in Marian apparitions.

Re: Alexander Grothendieck

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Suppose he were both. Then do we need to distinguish between them? If so, would it be possible to make that distinction? If not, can we afford to need to make it? This applies to all incomprehensibly gifted persons.

agree, forgotten genius AND lonely madman, there is no contradiction.. In mathematics, and science, these people are not uncommon.

Re: Alexander Grothendieck

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The AI angle is weird, and a red herring. I’ll happily give 100 to 1 odds that something as abstract as topos theory isn’t useful to machine learning. As far as I know, the full weight of topos theory isn’t even needed for algebraic geometry.

The story of Grothendieck is a tragedy about a generational genius, not unlike Godel’s story. It’s deep and far reaching enough to stand on its own without AI hype making it appear more relevant.

Re: Alexander Grothendieck

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The AI angle is weird, and a red herring. I’ll happily give 100 to 1 odds that something as abstract as topos theory isn’t useful to machine learning. As far as I know, the full weight of topos theory isn’t even needed for algebraic geometry. The story of Grothendieck is a tragedy about a generational genius, not unlike Godel’s story. It’s deep and far reaching enough to stand on its own without AI hype making it app…

The folks at Symbolica are also applying topos theory, category theory, etc to AI, backed by serious folks such as Khosla and Wolfram. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/vinod-khosla-betting-former-t...

Re: Alexander Grothendieck

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The AI angle is weird, and a red herring. I’ll happily give 100 to 1 odds that something as abstract as topos theory isn’t useful to machine learning. As far as I know, the full weight of topos theory isn’t even needed for algebraic geometry. The story of Grothendieck is a tragedy about a generational genius, not unlike Godel’s story. It’s deep and far reaching enough to stand on its own without AI hype making it app…

The folks at Symbolica are also applying topos theory, category theory, etc to AI, backed by serious folks such as Khosla and Wolfram. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/vinod-khosla-betting-former-t...

I was sure this was going to be a case of spraying jargon at investors, but they've actually produced an interesting paper in this direction (in collaboration with some DeepMind people): https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.15332

Re: Alexander Grothendieck

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‘ And there is growing academic and corporate attention to how Grothendieckian concepts could be practically applied for technological ends. Chinese telecoms giant Huawei believes his esoteric concept of the topos could be key to building the next generation of AI, and has hired Fields medal-winner Laurent Lafforgue to explore this subject. But Grothendieck’s motivations were not worldly ones, as his former colleague…

There is nothing esoteric about topos theory, it is a formally defined concept: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topos

Thought it was important to state this, as Grothendieck also wrote rather esoteric texts, Récoltes et Semailles as well as La Clé des Songes, which haven't been translated or even published.

Re: Alexander Grothendieck

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post #14

Suppose he were both. Then do we need to distinguish between them? If so, would it be possible to make that distinction? If not, can we afford to need to make it? This applies to all incomprehensibly gifted persons.

agree, forgotten genius AND lonely madman, there is no contradiction.. In mathematics, and science, these people are not uncommon.

The root cause for his departure from mathematics was his categorical refusal to let the military-industrial complex invest in his research at Bures-sur-Yvette.

Source: https://www.jp-petit.org/Nouvelles/Grothendieck.htm

- I know the story. He was a man viscerally opposed to militarism. He once said "he'd rather be shot than wear a uniform." One day a letter arrived at IHES in Bures, where the army's scientific services, called DRET at the time (Direction of Research and Technical Studies), now DGA (Delegation for Armament Applications), offered a grant of four thousand francs (650 euros). When he came across this paper, he flushed red, saying "No way we're accepting a penny from these people!" His colleagues tried to change his mind: "Listen, Alexandre, don't be so rigid. It'll pay for photocopies..."

- And then?

- He said, "It's not difficult, we'll put it to a vote. The IHES scientific council will decide whether or not to accept money from the soldiery. But if you accept this grant, I solemnly warn you: you'll have my resignation in your hands within the minute that follows."

- And what happened?

- They didn't take his threat seriously. The vote took place and the four thousand francs were accepted by a majority of one vote. His face then turned grey, hard as marble. He took a letterhead paper and simply wrote: "I have the honor to tender my resignation" then handed it to the council members and turned on his heel. The next day he didn't show up at his office, nor the day after. Paperwork began to pile up. There were letters from all over the world.

- He was a Fields Medal winner.

- His reputation was such that he attracted the greatest mathematicians on the planet to the Institute. For everyone, he was the beacon of Algebraic Geometry, illuminating the entire planet with all its light. At first, people thought it was depression or a disappearance. At IHES, he occupied an official apartment. After a week, they ended up calling a locksmith to open the door. The apartment was empty. Masses of his papers were found in a trash can. He had thrown everything away, his notes, his books, his reports, his correspondence.

- Incredible! ...

- Wait, weeks and months passed without anyone knowing where he had gone. You can't imagine the panic at the Institute. Scientists started calling from all corners of the world. They had to answer and admit that he had resigned. People wanted to know why he had acted this way, under what circumstances this had happened, where he had gone, what he was doing now. The most unbelievable rumors were circulating. At one point, they thought he had committed suicide, but as some people had met him, they had to face the facts: he was apparently still alive. We have a letter from him dated two years after his resignation from IHES addressed to a company providing organic fertilizers, where he complains that these do not meet the specified standards. It was indeed his signature and, it must be said, his style.

- And since then?

- Since then, nothing. The world's greatest mathematician simply vanished one fine day. He simply let the scientific community know that he wanted nothing more to do with this environment. He announced, through a letter he addressed to one of his former students, his decision to withdraw completely. As people had finally located him in this small village near Carpentras where he had rented a small farm, they hoped to flush him out by offering him a new prize, the Crafoord Foundation prize. This must have been in the early eighties. The amount was around forty million francs.

Re: Alexander Grothendieck

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The folks at Symbolica are also applying topos theory, category theory, etc to AI, backed by serious folks such as Khosla and Wolfram. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/vinod-khosla-betting-former-t...

I was sure this was going to be a case of spraying jargon at investors, but they've actually produced an interesting paper in this direction (in collaboration with some DeepMind people): https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.15332

this paper is not good: it's easy to describe things in a categorical language (which this paper does), but not as easy to draw insights from that framework (which this paper does not do)
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