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Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by mikrotikker »

purple_ferret wrote: post #20
eatonphil wrote: post #2

> The decision imposes a daily fine of R$50,000 (£6,800) on individuals and companies that attempt to continue using X via VPN. Fining even users is a bit surprising.

Well we'll see how much teeth this fine based on how much Glenn Greenwald (who can't resist ranting on twitter) winds up owing. Ironic he abandoned the US citing its freedom laws only to wind up in this situation.

Well him and his husband were endlessly targeted at points of entry to the US as retaliation for Glens reporting on Snowden. So he's not wrong is he?

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by mikrotikker »

mrtksn wrote: post #182

This is a very, very sad day for the Internet. Unfortunately, you can expect that every app and every platform will get localized and blocking will be normalized. Soon TikTok will be blocked in the USA. I expect this to serve as an example and an avalanche to follow across the globe. Blocking a platform for alleged crimes committed the by operator or participants is a punishment for all the users. It’s ridiculous but…

How are you going to prove that TikTok is an intelligence and Psyop arm the PLA? The CCP does not respond to discovery in court cases of adversary nations.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by cormorant »

joaogui1 wrote: post #328
hintymad wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow! Day by day, I appreciate more and more how precious the liberty and freedom we have in the US. And shame on Canada and UK!

What did Canada and UK do?

Criminalize acts that would clearly be free speech in the US: the trucker convoy (Canada) (even just voicing support for it); mean tweets as hate speech (UK) (recent riots, see also JK Rowling).

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Post by nemo44x »

hagbard_c wrote: post #201
swatcoder wrote: post #160

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> How come I I'm now banned from reading what Zelensky, Kasparov, Yann LeCun, and thousands of others world leaders have to say? > How come my neighbor, who makes a honest living through X-Twitter, has now lost her job? Because the other party did violate the law. Unfortunately, Twitter got taken over by an international ideologue who likes to pick fights, and you and your neighbor are suffering the consequences of t…

> Twitter got taken over by an international ideologue Twitter was bought from ideologues by someone who opened it up to other ideologies. While this may have increased the absolute ideological load on the platform it actually decreased the effective ideological charge since opposite sides cancel out each other, pulling the balance towards the centre where it used to tilt heavily towards a single side.

These people never seem to learn that when the table turns, and it will, that they won’t like it anymore. They lived when the censor suited them but cry foul when it’s in opposition.

It’s important to curate a culture and agreed set of norms that you can live with when you’re not in control.

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Post by nemo44x »

throwaway87267 wrote: post #13

The same judge that is responsible for X's suspension ordered Apple and Google to take down VPN apps from their app stores as well. https://web.archive.org/web/20240830201851/https://www.conju... (Page 49 and 50, document is in Portuguese) Brazil is heading down a very dark path.

> Brazil is heading down a very dark path.

But predictable. Contempt of and banning speech because it’s disruptive to the regime (cynically “our democracy”) and harassing political opposition is commonplace for socialist and leftist governments.

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Post by Pedro_Ribeiro »

cassianoleal wrote: post #322
facorreia wrote: post #95

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In Brazil, a Justice of the Supreme Court has the power to impose fines on people and companies that violate the law. In this case, federal law #12.965.

Which part of that law have the users of VPNs violated?

the part they just made up of course!

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Post by meiraleal »

IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #289
meiraleal wrote: post #279

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> There is no legal process whatsoever, nor the regular mediums have been used That's simply false. The proper legal processes are being followed. It's just a narrative pushed by those who refuse to accept that their actions are/were illegal and have consequences.

A thorough explanation of the applicable law, point by point, that demonstrates that what you are saying is complete fantasy: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382

Alright, let's see. First item:

> In Brazil, a judge cannot open an inquiry.

False allegation, the inquiry was asked by the Federal Police and the judge accepted it. If it starts with a wrong premise we can already know what's coming next.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by meiraleal »

IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #295
meiraleal wrote: post #276

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The richest man in the world calling someone stopping him a tyrant is the joke of the year.

No, its not. A thorough explanation of the applicable law, point by point, that demonstrates that the tyrant is wearing a robe https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382

Why did you repeat the same message in multiples replies? This is weird. Replied once and it serves all them: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41408410

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by meiraleal »

yonaguska wrote: post #18
outside1234 wrote: post #9

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All Elon needs to do is have a legal representative in Brazil for his commercial venture. He chose this.

The courts threatened to arrest his legal representation if he didn't comply with their demands to take down accounts accused of spreading misinformation and hate speech. So Elon closed all offices in Brasil. You think he should risk having an employee thrown in jail?

I think he should not commit crimes, if he does, yes, he need to have a legal representative. That's how the rule of the law works.
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