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EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Post by blackeyeblitzar »

Given the politicians keep bringing back these same dangerous ideas, it is time for people who are aware of it to make everyone they know aware of the issue. And then organize towards mass protest. And after removing offending politicians from power, push for them to be jailed for violation of civil liberties. Push for local warrants for their arrest or bans that make their lives in Europe highly inconvenient. Tarnish their legacy as officials. Sure these efforts may not succeed but it’s important to make their lives so difficult as to deter others from ever doing this again.

None of this is easy, and it’ll be met by the same suppression of protests that has happened in other instances across Europe in the last few years. But I think it’s the only way. There is no shortcut for political pressure.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Post by raverbashing »

gizmo wrote: post #51

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> Who in their right mind shuts down their nuclear power plants and exchanges energy independence for cheap gas imports from Russia?

What do you mean by "nobody"? The tree-huggers were all for more polluting forms of energy lest it made the USSR look like a state that didn't give 2 worries about safety

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Post by Hnrobert42 »

simion314 wrote: post #23
sharpshadow wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Orban doesn’t need to crack down on political opposition he has a strong majority in his country.[1] I guess you have a wrong opinion about Hungary and Orban because the media doesn’t like him because he is a pain in the ass for many plans of the European Union and gets bad reporting. Hungary has by the way not even 10 million residents. 1. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/hungarians-vote-orbans-...

As far as I know Orban changed the electoral law, he uses the votes from Hungarians outside Hungary (weird to vote for shit that does not affect you), the people in cities are not voting for him so he gets the votes from uneducated people that do not know a foreign language and get indoctrinated by the Orban controlled media. He is also super corrupt and Putin fanboy so most online English support he gets are from Ru…

You are getting responses about expatriate voting. That's not what he did.

Before WWII, Hungary was much larger. After, a large portion was ceded to Romania. He used a sudden super-majority to grant those people the right to vote. Subsequently, his political party has even held political conferences in Romania.

Those Romanians are not Hungarian citizens. They mostly do not suffer the consequences Orban's policy decisions. Yet, they support him because he makes gestures to include them in the country of their cultural origin.

This is far different from allowing overseas voting. This would be like the UK allowing all Irish to vote in parliamentary elections.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Post by dt3ft »

StrLght wrote: post #57
dt3ft wrote: post #28

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Your example with Telegram has nothing to do with E2E encryption, which is precisely what Chat Control is aimed at. Please look for a more relevant straw man.

The ordering process is likely handled in e2e 1:1 chat. The public and unencrypted channel is only used as advertising/entry point. The evidence of purchase is as such not accessible to the authorities.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Post by even_639765 »

Hunpeter wrote: post #45
sharpshadow wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Orban doesn’t need to crack down on political opposition he has a strong majority in his country.[1] I guess you have a wrong opinion about Hungary and Orban because the media doesn’t like him because he is a pain in the ass for many plans of the European Union and gets bad reporting. Hungary has by the way not even 10 million residents. 1. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/hungarians-vote-orbans-...

I'm not here to claim that Orban is anywhere near the level of a "real" dictator in terms of squashing dissent. But consider that one way Orban makes sure to maintain this - indeed significant - majority is to try to silence/discredit voices that go against his narrative. In fact, his party is spending millions of dollars in public funds to finance a continuous stream of propaganda on many channels. On top of this, t…

I think the fascism you're looking for is in the UK and France this month.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Post by dt3ft »

amarcheschi wrote: post #35
dt3ft wrote: post #28

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The chat you are referring to aren't encrypted, I don't see how breaking end to end encryption would affect the chat you're talking about. That's a problem that has to do with telegram governance. In telegram, group chats are not encrypted. 1:1 chats are also not encrypted if you don't start a secret chat before Now tell me, if law enforcement can just get into those group since they're not encrypted, why are not the…

The ordering process is likely handled in e2e 1:1 chat. The public and unencrypted channel is only used as advertising/entry point. The evidence of purchase is as such not accessible to the authorities.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Post by samatman »

chii wrote: post #29
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #2

And it will never disappear from the agenda. Chat control is widely popular among some influential parts of the population. After the attempted terrorist attack in Vienna for the Taylor Swift concert the topic didn’t leave Austrian media. A lot of parents are in favor of this independently of terrorism because of fear of CSAM. There is an awful lot of lobbying going on and given history of EU regulation this can only…

> terrorist ... CSAM it's always the terrorists and the children. It turns off the logical, rational thought centers in the brain, and convinces ordinarily rational people to accept these poorly thoughtout security measures. As a civid duty, you must fight against measures like these that erode security and privacy. It sucks, because the reward is "nothing", and you must forever maintain vigilence against constant re…

Let's not forget drug dealers and money launderers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalyp...

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Post by dijit »

raverbashing wrote: post #44
sunaookami wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SCHUFA for Germany. They want to get your bank payments next. If your score is bad (which can be if you live in a neighbourhood which is "bad") you can't get loans or other contracts like for mobile data.

But that's not a "social credit" it's literally a credit score

It depends.

If you would be judged for spending money in one place over another, then it's semantics. It's effectively the same as a social credit score.

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