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EU ChatControl is back on the agenda
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> In Sweden, there are chat groups where hits on people are and have been ordered and executed.
Funny that they can pinpoint and read the messages of those groups already without ChatControl.
Also, perhaps issues around the demographic in question should perhaps be addressed with other measures. I think they would continue if the entire Internet were shut down.
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#53I am in favor of ChatControl for politicians only: https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/two-agencies-... "The Ombudsman accused von der Leyen and the Commission of ‘maladministration’ for failing to produce the deleted text messages, challenging the belief that such texts did not qualify as ‘documents’ under EU law."
That would be even worse. The government only really wants to observe the messages of their political opponents, nobody else. Then they the can blackmail them as they want. As the American do in their corrupt surveillance state.
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> Why should drug cartels have free and EASY access to such wonderful encrypted sales platform?
Drug cartels will continue to have easy access to such platforms, as will anyone willing to do business with them, since such cartels and their business partners do not care about following the law. The same is true for child pornographers, hitmen, and so on. The technology exists and does not inherently depend on any middleman amenable to EU authority. No EU legislation can reverse that. All this might do is force them to switch to a different chat provider that will ignore EU law, or to run one themselves.
The true effect of any legislation that purports to circumvent end-to-end encryption to address the concerns you list will primarily be reducing the privacy of law-abiding people, including those who really need it: a French journalist reporting on corruption in a public contract bidding process, a Hungarian dissident organizing opposition to Fidesz's authoritarianism, or even someone seeking help to flee from the oversight of an abusive spouse with personal connections to EU member state surveillance institutions.
Not a useful way to catch up with tech - whether or not a better way exists, this law is literally worse than doing nothing.
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> Isn't it time to update the law and catch up with tech?
In case of Telegram groups you mention, local authorities can use existing laws regulating public social networks (Telegram really works similar to Facebook in these use cases, these telegram groups are neither private nor end to end encrypted). The fact that Telegram doesn't cooperate is not because of lack of regulation, but lack of leverage against it (which seems to be one of the reasons why authorities in France detained Telegram CEO recently).
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
As far as I know Orban changed the electoral law, he uses the votes from Hungarians outside Hungary (weird to vote for shit that does not affect you), the people in cities are not voting for him so he gets the votes from uneducated people that do not know a foreign language and get indoctrinated by the Orban controlled media. He is also super corrupt and Putin fanboy so most online English support he gets are from Ru…
> he uses the votes from Hungarians outside Hungary That is pretty standard for EU voting; as long as you are citizen, you can vote, usually by mail or by visiting your embassy. Otherwise, I happen to agree with you -- why you should vote, if you don't feel the impact of your vote? > the people in cities are not voting for him That's the common occurrence, people in cities are easier to influence due to density; US a…
> Otherwise, I happen to agree with you -- why you should vote, if you don't feel the impact of your vote?
Very strange attitude. I voted while I was abroad for two decades, because my family and friends were still there, and I wanted the best from them.
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Your example with Telegram has nothing to do with E2E encryption, which is precisely what Chat Control is aimed at. Please look for a more relevant straw man.
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> Why should drug cartels have free and EASY access to such wonderful encrypted sales platform? Isn't it time to update the law and catch up with tech? To me, this as ridiculous as saying "Why should drug cartels have free and EASY access to the internet?". The genie is out of the bottle, and there is no substitute for good old fashioned (hard) police work.
Not quite. Finding and ordering drugs using the good old www without "people nearby" feature is a big difference, wouldn't you agree? Technology improved, police work must improve too.
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#59This is the reason a lot of europeans are choosing to leave Europe seeking refuge somewhere else more free :)
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#60And it will never disappear from the agenda. Chat control is widely popular among some influential parts of the population. After the attempted terrorist attack in Vienna for the Taylor Swift concert the topic didn’t leave Austrian media. A lot of parents are in favor of this independently of terrorism because of fear of CSAM. There is an awful lot of lobbying going on and given history of EU regulation this can only…
> terrorist ... CSAM it's always the terrorists and the children. It turns off the logical, rational thought centers in the brain, and convinces ordinarily rational people to accept these poorly thoughtout security measures. As a civid duty, you must fight against measures like these that erode security and privacy. It sucks, because the reward is "nothing", and you must forever maintain vigilence against constant re…
A lot of people prefer to violate the rights of their own electorate as opposed to putting people into planes and having effective overseas action against the financiers of it