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Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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The difference is: Brazil is being run by Lula Silva, who opposes Bolsonaro, while Turkey is run by Erdogan, and India is run by Modi. If you want to connect the thread, look into what kind of leaders Bolsonaro, Modi, and Erdogan are.

That's some conspiracy theory.

Musk is pretty right wing, it's not unreasonable to conclude he'd support other right wing governments and oppose left wing ones.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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By this absurd logic calling the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" a dictatorship does not make it one.

Kim Jong Un’s title is Supreme Leader, General Secretary of the Workers' Party of Korea, Chairman of the Central Military Commission of the Workers' Party of Korea, President of the State Affairs of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea and Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea Are you suggesting that he is also a member of the Brazilian supreme court?

> Are you suggesting that he is also a member of the Brazilian supreme court?

I never suggested that.

He is member of Korean institutions defined by Korean constitution, similarly how this judge is of a Brazilian Institution. Neither means there titles bear any similarity to what they are doing or what power they are exercising.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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post #105

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I bet China would be happy to help. It also cracks me up that people on this site were almost entirely in favor of a TikTok ban, but when it’s someone else’s government doing what amounts to the same thing then they’re “heading down a dark path”. Could folks please make up their minds and not treat the US as though it’s exempt from the “dark paths”?

For starters the US never threatened VPN users with a $9k daily fine

That’s what’s coming next.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

#194
> X and its former incarnation, Twitter, have been banned in several countries — mostly authoritarian regimes such as Russia, China, Iran, Myanmar, North Korea, Venezuela and Turkmenistan. Other countries, such as Pakistan, Turkey and Egypt, have also temporarily suspended X before, usually to quell dissent and unrest.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

#195

This has been a bad week for Democracy/freedom of speech

In what way? Musk decides what's OK and not OK on twitter. Twitter isn't a platform to promote democracy, it promotes what Musk wants. Twitter has turned into hot garbage. For years my feed was pretty clean as it's almost exclusively tech. Gave it up recently as it was clogged with right-wing conspiracy, odd videos and random made up AI young women randomly following me occasionally.

> In what way? Musk decides what's OK and not OK on twitter.

Before Musk, others were doing the same, but on the other side of the political spectrum from where Musk is now. Nothing new.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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post #80

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Just a year ago Musk was happily complying with censorship orders in Turkey [1] and [2] In Brasil's case he decided to abruptly pull out if the country. [1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/05/musk-defends-ena... [2] https://theintercept.com/2023/03/28/twitter-modi-india-punja...

The difference is: Brazil is being run by Lula Silva, who opposes Bolsonaro, while Turkey is run by Erdogan, and India is run by Modi. If you want to connect the thread, look into what kind of leaders Bolsonaro, Modi, and Erdogan are.

You could also spin it the other way, the only countries that have banned twitter so far are very authoritarian or dictatorships. Why does "Brazil being run by Silva" want to be part of the club?

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This is a very, very sad day for the Internet. Unfortunately, you can expect that every app and every platform will get localized and blocking will be normalized. Soon TikTok will be blocked in the USA. I expect this to serve as an example and an avalanche to follow across the globe. Blocking a platform for alleged crimes committed the by operator or participants is a punishment for all the users. It’s ridiculous but…

In this case was X not explicitly asked to remove the illegal content? They could have simply complied with the local law and avoided this outcome. With their hardcore engineers I’m sure they could have come up with a region-locked solution.

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post #117

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What's the structural link between X and Starlink?

Moraes' order claimed they were part of an "economic group" due to Musk's ownership. That's pretty much it. Since then, Starlink has just said that everyone can have free service for now since they can't get paid anyway. They're in use in a lot of remote areas, like Amazonia, and the Brazilian military came out with a statement the other day saying that they rely on Starlink and if Moraes wants to shut that down, it…

> Moraes' order claimed they were part of an "economic group" due to Musk's ownership.

The problem is that this is not true, the two companies are not part of the same economic group. They are two completely different organizations and even if they were, this type of decision is only made when there is fraud of the type: you owe the government and it is known that you are the owner of a company despite there being no legal connection (i.e., it is in the name of third parties).

It is an absurd decision that shows the world how unsafe it is to invest in Brazil.

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What starlink chooses to do will be most interesting, deny any connection, block X like the isps have been ordered and try and get their bank accounts reinstated. Or pull out of Brazil on the ground and operate as a rogue isp whose money can be blocked, in the short term at least but not their service. I hope it's the 2nd, be a lesson to all world leaders, and not just ultra authoritarian ones, that the Internet does…

Starlink ceased operations in brazil and doesnt have a bank account. Musk tweeted that he will keep it for free in brazil because some remote schools use it.
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