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Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by Natsu »

jrflowers wrote: post #47
crop_rotation wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The orders of the brazilian court are just too arbitrary, and not just in this case. At some point it ceases to be a judicial court and becomes more of an Emperor's court where the Emperor is making laws as he is going on.

Defying court orders can get you arrested in any country even if you and others deem them to be “too arbitrary”

Moraes is on the Brazilian STF, the highest court in the land. In other countries, this kind of stuff would go through multiple lower courts. Here, the head guy is just giving direct orders and answers to approximately no one.

So it's the orders of one judge acting as judge, jury & executioner, which is not how we normally think of lawful process.

Now that is the Brazilian system but... there's a damn good reason other people don't do it that way. And a damn good reason that dystopian book was named "Brazil."

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by pmdr »

facorreia wrote: post #95
narrator wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he's just making it up as he goes along now.

In Brazil, a Justice of the Supreme Court has the power to impose fines on people and companies that violate the law. In this case, federal law #12.965.

Can individual judges do as they please without any voting or consensus?

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by facorreia »

brigadier132 wrote: post #72
crop_rotation wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The actual power is what a society will accept. At this point it seems like he can do anything a monarch could do in a kinda modern society.

Sure but I'm asking in theory, what is the power of justices according to their constitution.

That's explained in Article 102 of the Brazilian Constitution (in Portuguese):

https://constituicao.stf.jus.br/dispositivo/cf-88-parte-1-ti...

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by diegoholiveira »

jrflowers wrote: post #47
crop_rotation wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The orders of the brazilian court are just too arbitrary, and not just in this case. At some point it ceases to be a judicial court and becomes more of an Emperor's court where the Emperor is making laws as he is going on.

Defying court orders can get you arrested in any country even if you and others deem them to be “too arbitrary”

If a court orders you to shoot someone in the head, would you do it?

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by hungie »

robertlagrant wrote: post #41
outside1234 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All Elon needs to do is have a legal representative in Brazil for his commercial venture. He chose this.

I don't really understand the pro-authoritarian stance.

I don't know what content was requested to be removed. If the opposition was spreading lies about elections being stolen, that seems like reasonable content to moderate.

Not all moderation is bad, and different places have different tolerances for it. I keep seeing people say "silencing the opposition" but not actually providing what that means in practice.

Could be authoritarian, could be not.

Given musk's history as a right wing agitator, I want to see data before coming to any conclusions here.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by theginger »

What starlink chooses to do will be most interesting, deny any connection, block X like the isps have been ordered and try and get their bank accounts reinstated.

Or pull out of Brazil on the ground and operate as a rogue isp whose money can be blocked, in the short term at least but not their service.

I hope it's the 2nd, be a lesson to all world leaders, and not just ultra authoritarian ones, that the Internet doesn't respect geographic boarder and you cannot control it like that.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by Natsu »

robertlagrant wrote: post #48
marcellus777 wrote: post #26

for non-Brazilians trying to understand the situation: (1) a supreme court judge ordered X to remove some political profiles saying they are spreading misinformation (2) coincidentally (or not) most (if not all) profiles are from the opposition (3) Elon said that that was censorship and closed the office in Brazil (4) The judge applied hefty fines but those couldn't be fullfied since X doesnt have a bank account in B…

What's the structural link between X and Starlink?

Moraes' order claimed they were part of an "economic group" due to Musk's ownership. That's pretty much it.

Since then, Starlink has just said that everyone can have free service for now since they can't get paid anyway. They're in use in a lot of remote areas, like Amazonia, and the Brazilian military came out with a statement the other day saying that they rely on Starlink and if Moraes wants to shut that down, it will screw them over.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by virgulino »

facorreia wrote: post #95
narrator wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he's just making it up as he goes along now.

In Brazil, a Justice of the Supreme Court has the power to impose fines on people and companies that violate the law. In this case, federal law #12.965.

I did NOT violate the law.

How come he is deleting the VPN apps on my phone??? That I need to remote to my overseas job???

How come I I'm now banned from reading what Zelensky, Kasparov, Yann LeCun, and thousands of others world leaders have to say?

How come my neighbor, who makes a honest living through X-Twitter, has now lost her job?

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by btilly »

throwaway87267 wrote: post #13

The same judge that is responsible for X's suspension ordered Apple and Google to take down VPN apps from their app stores as well. https://web.archive.org/web/20240830201851/https://www.conju... (Page 49 and 50, document is in Portuguese) Brazil is heading down a very dark path.

Are computer VPN apps also banned?

How are they planning to handle remote employees whose employers use VPNs?

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