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Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by virgulino »

throwaway87267 wrote: post #13

The same judge that is responsible for X's suspension ordered Apple and Google to take down VPN apps from their app stores as well. https://web.archive.org/web/20240830201851/https://www.conju... (Page 49 and 50, document is in Portuguese) Brazil is heading down a very dark path.

Thank you very much for posting this document.

From what I'm reading, it also orders Apple and Google to DELETE VPN apps already installed on users' phones!

(I think this has been done in the past, in Brazil)

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by brigadier132 »

crop_rotation wrote: post #53
brigadier132 wrote: post #37

Can someone explain the me what actual power do Brazilian supreme court justices have? Seems like Brazilian judges are like Judge Dredd.

The actual power is what a society will accept. At this point it seems like he can do anything a monarch could do in a kinda modern society.

Sure but I'm asking in theory, what is the power of justices according to their constitution.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by throwaway87267 »

ddtaylor wrote: post #36
throwaway87267 wrote: post #13

The same judge that is responsible for X's suspension ordered Apple and Google to take down VPN apps from their app stores as well. https://web.archive.org/web/20240830201851/https://www.conju... (Page 49 and 50, document is in Portuguese) Brazil is heading down a very dark path.

For anyone curious: Proton VPN Express VPN NordVPN Surfshark, TOTALVPN Atlas VPN Bitdefender VPN There are some pretty well known VPNs that are NOT on that list. Private Internet Access (PIA) for example is absent. Sure, it's used more for torrenting than anything else, but it's one of the most popular VPNs. I thought maybe PIA just doesn't operate in Brazil, but they actually have a specific page dedicated to it: ht…

The listed VPNs are just examples. The order to take down VPN apps affects every VPN provider.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by stufffer »

exe34 wrote: post #12
blurbleblurble wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can a court arbitrarily impose fines on users like this?

collaborating with a law breaker in contempt of court.

Laws don't even seem to be applicable at this point. It is one supreme court justice that is issuing court orders as if he were a king.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by paxys »

I wonder what all the walled garden lovers have to say about this. Would have been nice to be able to install apps and VPNs on your phones without Apple's or the government's ability to block it right? Or are you still going to stick to the "it's for our own safety" party line?

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by baybal2 »

virgulino wrote: post #5

"People who use VPN to access X will be subject to daily fines of US$8,900" Edit: Thanks for this user https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41404325 for posting the court order and bringing this new information: Apple and Google must remove all VPN apps from their stores! Apple and Google must DELETE all VPN apps already installed on users' phones!!! https://apnews.com/article/brazil-musk-x-suspended-de-moraes...

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Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by inglor_cz »

NomDePlum wrote: post #55
guywithahat wrote: post #7

This has been a bad week for Democracy/freedom of speech

In what way? Musk decides what's OK and not OK on twitter. Twitter isn't a platform to promote democracy, it promotes what Musk wants. Twitter has turned into hot garbage. For years my feed was pretty clean as it's almost exclusively tech. Gave it up recently as it was clogged with right-wing conspiracy, odd videos and random made up AI young women randomly following me occasionally.

It is not just about X. A nation of almost 200 million was deprived of mobile VPN use by decision of a single person.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by NomDePlum »

bestatsiege_01 wrote: post #34
outside1234 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All Elon needs to do is have a legal representative in Brazil for his commercial venture. He chose this.

According to X the Brazilian Court threatened the legal rep with imprisonment, then after they quit the court froze the bank accounts of said rep anyway. If that is true it strongly biases me towards believing X is in the right. Those are astonishingly authoritarian actions. https://twitter.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1829296715989414281

Appears to be at odds with what's reported in the linked article.

The Guardian is a reputable, independent source. X is neither of those.

Re: Brazilian court orders suspension of X

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Post by troupo »

Fabricio20 wrote: post #28
cowsup wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The core facts are: Brazil demanded information regarding Brazilian users, and believed it was in their right to do so. X believed that the requests did not comply with Brazilian laws, and refused. Neither side yielded, so X closed up shop in Brazil, and, as a result, Brazil is blocking access to X.

There is actually more to this here, it was not just information about Brazilian users, the request was actually to shadowban (block without notifying the users) specific accounts. Some of those accounts happen to be political opposition (actual politicians too) to this judge and his party in general. I believe twitter or musk himself leaked all court documents when this request came in. Twitter/X closed shop because…

Just a year ago Musk was happily complying with censorship orders in Turkey [1] and [2]

In Brasil's case he decided to abruptly pull out if the country.

[1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/05/musk-defends-ena...

[2] https://theintercept.com/2023/03/28/twitter-modi-india-punja...

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