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Surely we could have gotten a better source for this story than a sketchy crypto news site. Here is some coverage from some more reputable sources: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckg2kz9kn93o https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/25/telegram-messaging-...
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Open source is irrelevant as the protocol is plain text.
Wait... you're saying if the protocol is binary, that's different somehow? Either way, you're saying the MTProto is binary? How do you mean that?
Pretending you misunderstand what I meant is detestable.
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> with "business account", which are another way to say "e2e you->meta and then meta relays actually its a nominated end point, and then from there its up to the business. It works out better for meta, because they aren't liable for the content if something goes wrong. (ie a secret is leaked, or PII gets out.) Great for GDPR because as they aren't acting as processor of PII they are less likley to be taken to court.…
never thought about using csam image hash alerts as a measure of platform data leaks (and popularity as i doubt bots will be sharing them). that's very smart. and show that fb eclipse everyone by a insane margin it's scary! about your point on business accounts, the documents i reviewed included dialog tree bots managed by meta. not sure if not having that change things... but in that case it was spelled out that met…
In whatsapp, the report button is on the same menu that you use to reply/hide/pin/react.
Once you do that, it sends the offending message to meta, unencrypted. To me, that seems like a reasonable choice. Even if you have "proper" e2ee, it would still allow rooting out of nasty/illegal shit. those reports are from real people, rather than automated CSAM hashing on encrpyted messages. (although I suspect there is some tracking before and after.)
Its the same with instagram/facebook. The report button is right there. I don't agree with FB on many things, but this one I think they've made the right choice.
Telegram is genuinely the best general communication platform I have ever used, by far. I really hope he has a good lawyer and this doesn't end up getting essentially murdered for creating it. When you create something that is objectively great, everyone will use it - including bad actors.
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Watch his interview with Tucker Carlson and you’ll see. He doesn’t acquiesce to government requests for moderation control, censorship, and sharing private user data so they target him. He refuses to implement backdoors as well. In stark contrast to western social media companies.
Telegram still collects and stores private user data, and as per their own privacy policy. This isn't in stark contrast to western companies at all. Additionally, they fulfilled requests made in Brazil, India, and Germany to name some I remember. Again, using the private user data they collect. So what you fell for was just basic marketing (a CEO going on a TV program, as Tucker Carlson isn't even news) to market his…
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Let’s just say I encrypt illegal.content prior to uploading it to Platform A. And share the public key separately via Platform B. Maybe even refer Platform A users to a private forum on Platform B to obtain the keys. Are both platforms now on the wrong side of the law?
This is a big problem. Why are we talking about "cooperation"? What does it mean? A judge doesn't ask you to cooperate, he seizes your servers. Ah, it's not a court. It's the police? The state? It's not a free country, sir. In principle, the police can tell if a song infringes copyright, or if a message spreads hate (I'm trying to sound American here). Or if a picture is really a "cheese pizza" or just a strange arti…
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As far as E2EE, you do not need to trust Telegram since the clients are open source, and third party clients are also available.
If I have to dig through third party clients in order to trust a system, then it's clearly a shit system. Signal > anything else, especially telegram, which can burn in hell for all I care.
Nor does it require a third party client. In fact, in this regard, Telegram official client is slightly better because they have reproducible builds for iOS, while Signal, last I checked, does not (they do have them for Android).