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A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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The other option is trying to fight a bigger opponent as an individual - what do you recommend, changing all the laws by yourself?

> changing all the laws by yourself? Laws change every day. There must be a working process for that.

For sufficiently narrow interpretations of "working", perhaps.

Otherwise, I think you might be a little optimistic here.

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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The "heart," but the only mention of pay is $10/hour, and advancement leads to more long nights as a chef in the volatile restaurant industry? Such respect Edit: also, the lip service of the title "porter" - the electric company will surely except that as payment

Honest question, what should they be paid? Its purely manual labor, there is not much if anything to innovate or be creative. The output is fairly binary, clean or not clean. I am all for fair wages but how do we know if $10 is the right price or too low? Interesting how serious questions get so quickly downvoted. I am genuinely curious how you would price a dishwasher when the output is important but the work itself…

> Honest question, what should they be paid? Its purely manual labor, there is not much if anything to innovate or be creative. The output is fairly binary, clean or not clean. I am all for fair wages but how do we know if $10 is the right price or too low?

Have you ever worked as a dishwasher? It may not be complicated, but it's hard work.

It's not usually just washing dishes either, you're expected to help all around the kitchen.

And if the pastry chef quits in the middle of service, or if some waitstaff doesn't show up for the night, you might find yourself suddenly doing another job with no training (and no extra pay either), while still having to wash the dishes at the same time.

I work in IT these days, and honestly my Job is way easier and less stressful than when I washed dishes.

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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Can't resist sharing my own experience as a dishwasher though given the number of comments no one's going to read this... I was a dishwasher (and everything else) at your standard suburban Italian deli for a couple years in high school. Italian delis are famous for their cold deli sandwiches, but also for things like bacon, egg and cheeses for the breakfast crowd, and chicken cutlet, chicken parm, sausage and pepper, meatball, etc. sandwiches for lunch. And the great thing about it is that these things, historically anyway, are cooked on-site, starting first thing in the morning, using your standard baking sheets/pots/pans, which (surprise) creates a lot of dishes each day.

Now this deli I worked at had no machine so all those pots and pans stack up and by afternoon, when the cooking is done, there's a huge stack of dirty dishes. My first day working there, I show up after school and since they know I'm coming there's the huge stack of dishes waiting for me, the new guy. They tell me to get cracking on it and so I don the apron and get going. This is maybe at 2pm.

As I'm working away, folks periodically check in with me, kind of with these quizzical looks, but they don't really say anything other than an "all good?" type of vibe. And I'm sweating my ass off because the amount of char/build up on these stainless steel pans/pots/etc. is off the charts. But I'm diligently working away getting them absolutely friggin' spotless! Like restoring them back to their brand-new state.

Well, you see where this is going. The guy who got me the job, a friend who's also a high school guy but a bit older, comes in the back, as I'm finishing up, maybe 4 or 5 hours later. The two owners of the deli also come around the corner. My friend's like "dude, those have never looked like that," pointing at the huge stack of cleaned pots and pans. And I'm like "whattaya mean?" And he's like "all of that black stuff? Just stays on there!" I'd literally cleaned off years of charring that had built up. He slaps me on the back, starts laughing his ass off. One of the two owners, when he stopped laughing, was like "I didn't know why the hell it was taking you so long but... they look great!"

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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All effective unions are mandatory. They represent the interests of the mass of workers there, and they wield that collective power against two groups who would be happy to take food out of their mouths if they could get away with it: their employer and new employees who need a job enough that they are willing to work for less money or worse conditions. So if you want to join a company and enjoy the benefits that a u…

>All effective unions are mandatory. That's a very US centric view. Unions are ample powerful in other countries without requiring mandatory membership. Previous places I've worked in Europe it's not unusual to have multiple unions represented in a company, and even collaborating together on various negotiations. It wasn't unusual for employees to change unions based on what the union was or wasn't doing for them as…

> That's a very US centric view

It is of course however it can be argued that the US is somewhat of a unique case here.

To quote wikipedia (which itself is citing three other sources in this quote's case)

> According to labor historians, the US has the most violent labor history of any industrialized nation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_history_of_the_United_St...

So the US has a bit of a unique history here. A less than fun example of this is that the organized labor holiday "May Day" is celebrated in many countries notably excluding the US.

This of course being despite the fact that the date was selected by the AFL (now AFL-CIO, one of the main union federations in the US) to memorialize the general strike in Chicago that ended in the Haymarket Massacre (May 1st 1886 - May 4th 1886).

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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> Why would anyone take the job then, if it didn't provide those things? Because they are afraid of being homeless?

Most landlords don't accept partial rent if your salary isn't earning you enough.

I can tell which side of the track you grew up on. It's called surviving and we do it because the other outcome is death.

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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I have a PhD in Physics from Berkeley. Still, in the strictest real estate sense, my best and highest use is as a dishwasher. I was managing a small optics factory in Livermore. We made laser mirrors to order there — any wavelength, any reflectivity, any angle, any polarization, you name it. I was working my ass off and was unmarried at the time. Thanksgiving came around and I had nowhere to go. But I hooked up with…

Loved reading this. I admire your courage and ingenuity to dress as a poor person. If you haven’t already read it you might enjoy Orwell’s autobiographical Down and Out in Paris and London, your story tangentially reminded me of it.

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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post #297

I have a PhD in Physics from Berkeley. Still, in the strictest real estate sense, my best and highest use is as a dishwasher. I was managing a small optics factory in Livermore. We made laser mirrors to order there — any wavelength, any reflectivity, any angle, any polarization, you name it. I was working my ass off and was unmarried at the time. Thanksgiving came around and I had nowhere to go. But I hooked up with…

Hungry people tend to not care at all who smiles for show and who actually cares, as long as the food is served. Just my 2 cents, but I get where you're coming from.

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other option is trying to fight a bigger opponent as an individual - what do you recommend, changing all the laws by yourself?

> changing all the laws by yourself? Laws change every day. There must be a working process for that.

Historically, here in the US, things like 40 hour weeks, two-day weekends, overtime pay, safety protections, etc. came about because of union actions and the political climate they created.

small example - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Friday_(Minneapolis)

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