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Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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"Compiling in the cloud" - So i'll have to give my sources to Microsoft? Great for security checking, but hey - they can read my code and gain knowledge from it? That's just doesn't feel right.

>So i'll have to give my sources to Microsoft?

No, they never said that. In fact, just now (during the developer part of the presentation) the presenter mentioned that it will "just work".

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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When Steve Jobs returned to Apple, he made it really clear that Apple's job wasn't to beat Microsoft. Apple then delivered on that assessment and created entirely new markets for themselves. Sadly, somehow, Microsoft went all XOR on our asses. I'm still baffled about how Microsoft is still trying to out-Apple Apple when they've repeatedly proven it's a disastrous strategy (see: Zune). Microsoft are kings of productiv…

> I'm still baffled about how Microsoft is still trying to out-Apple Apple when they've repeatedly proven it's a disastrous strategy (see: Zune). I don't see how they're trying to out-Apple Apple in this case. They're releasing a mobile operating system for third party vendors to create hardware for. Remove "mobile" and this is the exact same thing they've been doing all along. > Microsoft are kings of productivity s…

> Are you forgetting that they're also still king of the consumer desktop?

They're probably still the majority shareholder, but I wouldn't call them kings. And if they are kings, they're leading a dying kingdom. Have you seen the iPad sales numbers recently?

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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>blasé about throwing their installed base under the bus. What user base? I for one am thrilled to see Microsoft responding with what seems to be an appropriate level of urgency.

Does that mean that the architecture of Win Phone 7 was a mistake? That it was never really part of a long-term strategy to transition from Win Mobile to Win Phone 8? Does Microsoft really intend to churn through platforms that quickly? It makes you wonder how far ahead they're planning things out over there, and whether this is a platform you should hitch your wagon to as a developer.

Windows 7 was well-reviewed based largely on it's UI (as far as I could tell). Microsoft has kept a lot of that, but the underpinnings are now shared with their tablet (which makes sense) and desktop OS (not sure if that makes sense, but whatever).

Seems like a move that's designed to be more sustainable in the long-term by uniting their efforts. Personally, this move would make me more comfortable buying a Win8 tablet and/or phone.

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They've only said "minimal code changes", "two days of work"; also only mentioned native code in the context of games and nothing to suggest support for HTML/JS-based apps (which would imply WinRT support). "Recompile + UI tweaks" would be a headline feature for the SDK, not stating such outright leads me to believe this isn't the case. EDIT: just said that the CLR is now identical between phone and W8, but again "sh…

They said that native code is going to be supported. That tells me WinRT will be as well; it's not like people are going to be writing MFC apps for it.

They only seem to be recommending it for games, implying you can't run the UI with it https://skitch.com/constantinexvi/enb3e/windows-phone-summit...

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When Steve Jobs returned to Apple, he made it really clear that Apple's job wasn't to beat Microsoft. Apple then delivered on that assessment and created entirely new markets for themselves. Sadly, somehow, Microsoft went all XOR on our asses. I'm still baffled about how Microsoft is still trying to out-Apple Apple when they've repeatedly proven it's a disastrous strategy (see: Zune). Microsoft are kings of productiv…

> Something that competes with Blackberry?

The BlackBerry is pretty much dead. This is now largely the iPhone's market (being the only modern smartphone platform with completely solid Exchange support), so Microsoft is back to competing with Apple again.

Android has some level of Exchange support, as well. But what that entails depends on the OEM and their modifications (eg. Exchange support on an HTC Android device is completely different than what you get on a Galaxy Nexus, or a Motorola "BLUR" device.

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I suspect the lack of upgrade path was planned well before the Lumia 900 actually found a bit of traction with consumers. Wave goodbye to that momentum. That would be a big blow to Nokia. Does that drive their price down even lower until Microsoft buys them out? We'll see.

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True from Microsoft's perspective but from a customer's perspective it looks like "Windows for phones" changes radically and entirely incompatibly pretty often. Edit: On the other hand, most of the current market probably didn't know about Windows Mobile so perhaps that's mostly moot.

Twice in the past 10 years, or once every 5 years. That's the difference between iOS 1 (2007) and iOS 5.

WP6 > KIN > WP7 > WP8. I count three killed platforms in three years.

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For that matter, who is going to buy an Android 2.3 device now, since there's no reason to believe it will run Android 4.0?

Or an iPhone 3GS, since there's... oh, wait... and it was released when? ... 2009 you say? Astonishing. --------- EDIT: For the narrative impaired, I am saying that the 3GS is still being supported with major software upgrades despite being three years old, in stark contrast to all other major smartphone platforms.

You mean the 3GS from 2009 that will be supported by their pending iOS 6 release?

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows Phone 8

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does that mean that the architecture of Win Phone 7 was a mistake? That it was never really part of a long-term strategy to transition from Win Mobile to Win Phone 8? Does Microsoft really intend to churn through platforms that quickly? It makes you wonder how far ahead they're planning things out over there, and whether this is a platform you should hitch your wagon to as a developer.

Windows 7 was well-reviewed based largely on it's UI (as far as I could tell). Microsoft has kept a lot of that, but the underpinnings are now shared with their tablet (which makes sense) and desktop OS (not sure if that makes sense, but whatever). Seems like a move that's designed to be more sustainable in the long-term by uniting their efforts. Personally, this move would make me more comfortable buying a Win8 tabl…

Until they switch directions again in a couple years, to whichever way the winds shift. I'm not quite sure if anyone's at the wheel.

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When Steve Jobs returned to Apple, he made it really clear that Apple's job wasn't to beat Microsoft. Apple then delivered on that assessment and created entirely new markets for themselves. Sadly, somehow, Microsoft went all XOR on our asses. I'm still baffled about how Microsoft is still trying to out-Apple Apple when they've repeatedly proven it's a disastrous strategy (see: Zune). Microsoft are kings of productiv…

Something that corporations around the world would deploy to every single employee in a heartbeat?

That's not necessarily up to IT anymore, thanks to the iPhone. To achieve your goal, they would have to build something that those employees insist on bringing to work under pain of termination, as they did the iPhone.

Nothing in Microsoft's DNA -- and specifically in Steve Ballmer's DNA -- would permit the creation of such a device.

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