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A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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A lot of "serious questions" asked on the internet include assumptions and assertions that may or may not be true. These questions are often downvoted when people object to those assumptions and assertions.

Why are you speaking in generalities when we are discussing a specific question: this one. Your comment seems akin to saying "asking questions is suspicious, especially when I disagree with the premise."

> your question seems

Well it's not.

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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I had a summer job as a dishwasher, which paid minimum wage. I was required to join the union, so after union dues, I was paid less than the minimum wage! Being a union member provided no benefits whatsoever for temporary employees such as myself. This reminds me, the artist Gregory Blackstock retired with a union pension at 55 after 25 years' service as a dishwasher[0]. His art provided another source of income, but…

Is joining a union in your country mandatory? (or can be made mandatory?). I am not talking about peer pressure but legal requirements. This sounds quite crazy. What if there are 5 unions like we have in France?

Not at the Country level, but unions have been able to make it mandatory in certain industries and companies.

It is how they hold their power. If it was optional, they would whither away over time.

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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The "heart," but the only mention of pay is $10/hour, and advancement leads to more long nights as a chef in the volatile restaurant industry? Such respect Edit: also, the lip service of the title "porter" - the electric company will surely except that as payment

You have to either be entirely detached from reality or deliberately cruel to make statements like this alongside $20,000pa. Willing to bet the latter given Per Se was charging 5% of that salary for a single dinner.

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Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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There will always be people desperate enough to race to the bottom, but that doesn't make it a good thing for society at scale.

Especially when we import millions of low-skill / no-skill people every year to compete with the poor people who were born here. Works great for the upper classes - keeps the price down for those fancy Michelin dinners.

Our immigrant ancestors were almost all unskilled. I’d rather the government not tell me where I can or cannot live, as a matter of basic human freedom.

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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This makes the assumption that all workers require a living wage. When I worked as a teenager and throughout college, I didn't need to make a living wage since I either lived with my parents or with roommates (admittedly funded by a combination of work and student loans). During that phase of my life, I didn't require a living wage. I just needed some extra money, and so I was willing to accept lower paying jobs that…

It doesn't matter if you require the living wage or not — there will always be people who don't strictly need it in any society. Just like there will be people on the beach who won't ever need a life guard. Everybody needing a thing is not a precondition for it making sense to exist. If we want a society without exploitation the simple fix is to lift the minimum wage beyond any value that could be considered exploita…

>If you don't need that much e.g. because you have the luck of having your parents support, don't work the full job then. Easy. Less hours worked, more time to study.

What if you are a lonely oldster who'd love to slowly sweep away dust and cigarette butts in front of the local store for 5$ an hour. It doesn't seem obvious that outlawing this is good for society.

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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The "heart," but the only mention of pay is $10/hour, and advancement leads to more long nights as a chef in the volatile restaurant industry? Such respect Edit: also, the lip service of the title "porter" - the electric company will surely except that as payment

It's illegal to pool tips in my state, but people still do it off the books a lot. Good dishwashers will often be tipped out via this tip pool, and I've seen really fantastic restaurants grind to a halt overnight because someone there decided to enforce that code and stopped tipping out the dishies. There's a huge difference between someone who does the bare minimum vs a dishwasher who's fast, good at cleaning, and helps out around the kitchen where needed, and the market rewards them and punishes those who don't compensate them for it, even it it is under the table. The guy I knew who left to find a similar tipped job elsewhere was making $40/hr with the pooled tips (nice restaurants mean high prices and high tips) and everyone was happy to pay him out that much until one person wasn't.

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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post #85

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This makes the assumption that all workers require a living wage. When I worked as a teenager and throughout college, I didn't need to make a living wage since I either lived with my parents or with roommates (admittedly funded by a combination of work and student loans). During that phase of my life, I didn't require a living wage. I just needed some extra money, and so I was willing to accept lower paying jobs that…

It doesn't matter if you require the living wage or not — there will always be people who don't strictly need it in any society. Just like there will be people on the beach who won't ever need a life guard. Everybody needing a thing is not a precondition for it making sense to exist. If we want a society without exploitation the simple fix is to lift the minimum wage beyond any value that could be considered exploita…

To the GP point, though, if it's unilaterally applied there may be unintentional consequences. Their example was working as a teenager; relatively high minimum wages may end up cutting most teenagers out of the workforce. If an employer has the choice between a 35 year old and a 15 year old for the same pay, they are generally going to hire the 35 y.o. That isn't to say minimum wage can't be raised for heads-of-households or some other administrative distinction, but a one-size-fits-all approach may cause a bunch of other issues.

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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post #85

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It doesn't matter if you require the living wage or not — there will always be people who don't strictly need it in any society. Just like there will be people on the beach who won't ever need a life guard. Everybody needing a thing is not a precondition for it making sense to exist. If we want a society without exploitation the simple fix is to lift the minimum wage beyond any value that could be considered exploita…

>If you don't need that much e.g. because you have the luck of having your parents support, don't work the full job then. Easy. Less hours worked, more time to study. What if you are a lonely oldster who'd love to slowly sweep away dust and cigarette butts in front of the local store for 5$ an hour. It doesn't seem obvious that outlawing this is good for society.

I mean, there are ways to go about this without being an employee. You can start an LLC and contract yourself out if you really want to. I'm just not sure keeping that option open as an employee is a net-positive given all the downsides for people who don't fall into such a narrow example.

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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I was a dishy for years in a few different restaurants and hotels. It's hard work but if you do your best to help out the kitchen and wait staff wherever you can (picking up ingredients, helping mise en place, fetching dish carts yourself, stocking bar) then you can really make a difference in the day to day. Sometimes I miss the camaraderie. It's an easy industry to get stuck in though, and there's usually a lot of…

I got stuck a long time in restaurants from around 18 years old to right at 30. Finally got out and move to the construction industry. I'm just wondering what exactly Aguilar did in construction that's definitely harder than some high volume fast paced kitchens. Only thing I can come up with is most likely roofing, especially during the summer, because everything else I've been through in construction is easier.

"I ask Aguilar: How does this compare to the construction work you did back home? 'It’s easy,' he says."

Re: A dishwasher can make or break a restaurant (2017)

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post #79

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I have never had to use rinse aid until recently. I needed to buy a new dishwashers, and it didn't have a heated element for drying (for energy efficiency reasons). Without rinseaid, things stay wet. I tried to do some research on the safety of the chemical, but couldn't find anything online

Searching for "rinse aid epithelial lining" tends to turn up a bunch of relevant results and research.

You were not kidding, it is toxic up to a dilution of 1:20,000 v/v . I will stop using rinse aid containing alcohol ethoxylate immediately!

https://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749(22)01477-4/ful...

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