Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

politico.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

431–440 of 1001 posts

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

#431

Post by DonHopkins »

AlbertCory wrote: post #288
sangnoir wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN allows everyone with sufficient karma to vouch for dead comments (or flag comments), I suspect most of the comment-level moderation you see is crowdsourced to fellow commenters; a still-dead comment means most of those who see choose to keep it dead. HN is awesome because of the rules and moderation (including bans); any unmoderated forum devolves into a cesspit; and it only takes a surprisingly few bad apples to…

That's the gospel, for sure. However, look at the dead comments here and, for each, tell us why it would turn HN into a "cesspit."

Look at the posting history of the comment posters, not just the comment.

In many cases it's not the particular comment, it's the particular poster who is shadow-banned, and all of their comments are dead on arrival (to everyone but themselves, the definition of shadow banned). But people with showdead=true and enough karma can vouch for them to resurrect them if they're worthwhile.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

#432

Post by Etheryte »

firesteelrain wrote: post #102
Etheryte wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this different from Reddit, besides the moderation logs being public? Maybe I'm missing something here, but it sounds exactly the same.

Reddit is heavily centralized in the hands of a small number of mods. This would decentralize things

I'm not sure this holds just by virtue of the system. For example Wikipedia uses a similar model and they are also heavily centralized, the majority of the moderation is done by a very small number of users. If anything, I would say systems like this naturally tend towards a small inner circle.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

#434

Post by tantalor »

seydor wrote: post #344

Is that a US constitutional violation by the biden government? I guess not because they weren't really forced to. Yet again , putting pressure on media is not negligible

Was it an official act?

If yes, totally immune from consequences.

If not, then was it really "pressure"? In what sense?

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

#435

Post by hnpolicestate »

alsetmusic wrote: post #365
hnpolicestate wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The HN crowd is far right but they would never admit it. Most people are unaware of how political parties shift in composition and ideology over the decades. The contemporary American software engineer resembles the professional class Reagan Republicans who dominated the suburbs in the 80's and 90's.

Center-right, I'd argue, but that's true of the Democratic party. HN is very far from far-right in that bigotry and racism isn't tolerated here (nor should they be). But HN is USA in origin and USA politics are further right than most of Europe.

Moderators don't tolerate bigotry and racism on HN. I agree with that. But there were quite a few comments yesterday discussing Fyodor Dostoevsky who implied it was impossible for Russia to produce culture because it's people are monsters or something. Extreme ethnic hatred. So the users within the software community share many of the same faults regarding bigotry that the rest of humanity has.

Same goes for commentary on Chinese people or Palestinians, though nowhere near as extreme in animosity as that towards the Russian.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

#436

Post by lp0_on_fire »

cempaka wrote: post #410
lp0_on_fire wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> before the Immaculate Assassination Attempt Can you explain what you mean be "Immaculate Assassination Attempt"?

[flagged]

Your conspiracy theory makes the flat earthers look like Rhodes scholars.

Seriously, you are out of your mind.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

#437

Post by xur17 »

andy_ppp wrote: post #254
chrisco255 wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unrealized gains taxes is an extractive and totalitarian tax. Someone is always risking 100% loss until they realize those gains. It's an affront to entrepreneurial risk-taking and it's capricious. It would be just as ridiculous to allow someone to write-off unrealized losses.

As someone else has said just let them pay their taxes with stock, if that were the case I think it addresses most of your points right?

This effectively means we've just nationalized 25% of all companies (over time as this tax spreads to more people).

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

#438

Post by megous »

sangnoir wrote: post #404
AlbertCory wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the gospel, for sure. However, look at the dead comments here and, for each, tell us why it would turn HN into a "cesspit."

I didn't flag any of them; I do not owe you an explanation on behalf of the flaggers. Conversely - why didn't you vouch for each of the dead comments, if they are so great?

Vouching doesn't unflag reasonable comments.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

#439

Post by marcuskane2 »

zelias wrote: post #139
_heimdall wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd much prefer seeing us close up the tax loop holes than create an even more complex system. Taxing unrealized gains will be extremely complex, and given that they aren't allowing us to deduct unrealized losses its a pretty shitty setup for the taxpayer. We need to drastically simplify our tax code rather than further increase its complexity.

Doesn't this "close" the tax loophole in which holders of tradable assets can take out loans against those assets in perpetuity, never paying taxes on any of it?

I'm pretty sure that whole notion of these magical loans to avoid taxes is a made up internet conspiracy theory.

A) Loans need to be paid back, with interest. The person must either be selling assets or drawing in other (taxed) income to pay back the loan. A loan could delays the taxes to a future year to let someone buy a house or yacht or whatever without the full tax burden in year 1, but they still ultimately pay all the taxes

B) If they die while still having outstanding loans, their heirs pay a 40% inheritance tax on everything above like 10 million, so there is no magic avoidance of taxes there, just a change in whether it's capital gains tax today or inheritance tax tomorrow.

I'd love to be disproven if someone can explain a real tax loophole, but as far as I can tell, the "Billionaires avoid taxes by taking out loans" thing is completely untrue.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

#440

Post by icehawk »

AlbertCory wrote: post #288
sangnoir wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN allows everyone with sufficient karma to vouch for dead comments (or flag comments), I suspect most of the comment-level moderation you see is crowdsourced to fellow commenters; a still-dead comment means most of those who see choose to keep it dead. HN is awesome because of the rules and moderation (including bans); any unmoderated forum devolves into a cesspit; and it only takes a surprisingly few bad apples to…

That's the gospel, for sure. However, look at the dead comments here and, for each, tell us why it would turn HN into a "cesspit."

Sure I'll do it, as long as you agree to pay me $1000/hr, 2 hour minimum-- up front, to do your work for you.

No refunds.

Post reply on HN