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Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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Post by 93po »

Rebuff5007 wrote: post #179
renegat0x0 wrote: post #49

- some people cannot think abstractly about speech, because it is skewed because of actions of Elon Musk, or Zuckerberg, or other individuals - it is certain that governments want to control the narrative, and it is not always done in our interests - sometime actions are done to help us, but [disinformation enters the room] - Everything at CEO level is "political" - centralization of social media and forums allowed f…

> - I do not know if there is a clean, ethical way to "run the social media" My hand-wavy proposal: 1. there needs to be something akin to a constitution where all players involved (users of social media, social media companies) can express some shared set of values. For example kids shouldn't get depressed, data should be private, widely spread information should be reasonably accurate. 2. There needs to be a few in…

> For example kids shouldn't get depressed

This will be hand-waved away as being caused by other influences

> data should be private

Sure, it's private: we know literally everything about you down to when you use the toilet, and so do all of our data brokers and your government. But it's tied to a token, and you'd have to do a SQL join to attach that token to your name, and we put up a flyer in the break room telling people not to do that SQL join.

> widely spread information should be reasonably accurate.

There are so, so many opportunities to frame things in extremely misleading ways to drive a certain narrative and the entire social media and corporate news establishment does this. And when they get caught making stuff up, just call it a mistake and run a retraction in fine print that no one sees

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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Post by IncreasePosts »

Malidir wrote: post #152

In Pavel's interview with Tucker Carlson, he mentions how he (VK) met with Zuckerberg, and he told them new features they were planning. And Zuck nicked them all. Zuck is on a major PR campaign drive, I would not trust a word he says.

So what? Pavel nicked the entire concept of Facebook from Zuckerberg.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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Post by jmyeet »

When someone starts making claims, there is a tendency for those claims to become "fact" if there isn't sufficient counter-messaging.

Case in point: the idea that conservatives are somehow having their speech suppressed. This is patently false. Twitter has become 4chan. Any number of conservatives topics like anti-vaxxers, Brexit, anti-immigrant propaganda and so thrive on social media, including and especially Facebook.

Now you can argue that this isn't intentional. It's simply a result of these platforms responding to and promoting "engagement bait". There might be some truth to that but at a certain point, particularly if you're the CEO of Meta, you can't play dumb. You should know what your platform is promoting and what benefits you.

What you're seeing here is Zuckerberg is increasingly becoming aligned with the billionaire class and, by extension, the political right (eg [1]). This is the arc that leads to becoming Peter Thiel.

No one, and I mean no one with the possible exception of Noam Chomsky, is a free speech absolutist. Elon, for example, has banned people who have simply hurt his feelings (many times).

And while Zuck is sucking up Republicans in Congress, see how far you get on any of these platforms if you use words like "Gaza", "Israel", "Sde Temain" or "Palestine".

All of these big tech companies have been very successful in pushing the idea that it's "the algorithm" that upranks or downranks content, like there's no human involved. This is propaganda. Humans decide what's in the algorithm and they make those decisions based on what they want it to do.

[1]: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/mark-zuckerberg-prais...

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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Post by AlbertCory »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #270
AlbertCory wrote: post #248

If you want to see what's been "moderated" away from you on Hacker News: Click your username at the upper right: Turn on "showdead": showdead: yes. (defaults to "no") There are a number of dead posts in this thread. I'd post some here (some of which don't appear to violate any HN guidelines, I'll note), but probably those same moderators would kill this one, too.

Presumably those accounts are dead because of repeated rule breaking, not because their specific post in this thread broke the rules. And there might be more dead comments here on average because politics+tech draws a lot of a certain type of commenter(the type of commenter that might get banned)

"Presumably" ?? which ones? How do you know?

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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Post by Arthanos »

indoordin0saur wrote: post #210
Arthanos wrote: post #161

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> The Hunter Biden "story" was merely revenge porn of a private citizen gained by hacking a private laptop, they were right to censor it, they would do so for any other private citizen But this wasn't their stated reason for it. They claimed it was "Russian propaganda" or a fabricated story knowing full well it was not. Then they try and gaslight you into thinking they did the censorship for principled reasons rather…

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Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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Post by rasz »

object-a wrote: post #184

It's funny because Facebook's news feed in the last couple years is unusable, filled with AI slop and clickbait. Twitter similarly requires aggressive use of block + mute to eliminate scams, clickbait, and other content I'm not interested in. I don't know if this is due to their changes in moderation policy, or if AI has overwhelmed them, but I vastly preferred the old news feeds

FB actually directly pays creators of AI slop.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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Post by sangnoir »

AlbertCory wrote: post #248

If you want to see what's been "moderated" away from you on Hacker News: Click your username at the upper right: Turn on "showdead": showdead: yes. (defaults to "no") There are a number of dead posts in this thread. I'd post some here (some of which don't appear to violate any HN guidelines, I'll note), but probably those same moderators would kill this one, too.

HN allows everyone with sufficient karma to vouch for dead comments (or flag comments), I suspect most of the comment-level moderation you see is crowdsourced to fellow commenters; a still-dead comment means most of those who see choose to keep it dead.

HN is awesome because of the rules and moderation (including bans); any unmoderated forum devolves into a cesspit; and it only takes a surprisingly few bad apples to ruin a community.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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Post by halyconWays »

object-a wrote: post #184

It's funny because Facebook's news feed in the last couple years is unusable, filled with AI slop and clickbait. Twitter similarly requires aggressive use of block + mute to eliminate scams, clickbait, and other content I'm not interested in. I don't know if this is due to their changes in moderation policy, or if AI has overwhelmed them, but I vastly preferred the old news feeds

Who'd have thought the AI revolution would be used to just clog feeds up with spam.

I suppose there were warning signs, like every previous Internet technology eventually being used for advertising.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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Post by halyconWays »

Malidir wrote: post #152

In Pavel's interview with Tucker Carlson, he mentions how he (VK) met with Zuckerberg, and he told them new features they were planning. And Zuck nicked them all. Zuck is on a major PR campaign drive, I would not trust a word he says.

>Zuck is on a major PR campaign drive, I would not trust a word he says.

You can tell because the lizard has begun looksmaxing

However, we know from numerous leaks now that the White House has indeed pressured every major social media company to target specific citizens and censor them.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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Post by [deleted] »

nomel wrote: post #267
andy_ppp wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love your consideration for the financial problems of some of the most privileged people in all of human history. I just don’t really care that much if they get a big tax bill (I’m sure they’ll find a way to pay) and for a variety of reasons it will be good for society.

I think it’s simpler than that. People here tend to enjoy, and have careers around, understanding complex systems. “Consideration” for rich people isn’t required for thinking about the possible impacts of this, especially when the government has a near perfect track record in eventually shifting policies down to the working class.

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