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Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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Post by [deleted] »

andy_ppp wrote: post #127
Terretta wrote: post #124

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> Also paying taxes is a public good, even if you’re exceptionally wealthy. That's not in dispute*, and the point is people can experience paper gains without being exceptionally wealthy, or even ramen profitable. * To be fair, the notion of "tax" being just supposed public good versus requiring transactional value ("no taxation without representation") was a founding issue for the U.S. These days, instead of citing…

It’s hard to put into pithy terms but check out Citibank’s former top trader on wealth inequality and why we need to find a way to tax back some of the wealth from the rich: https://youtu.be/TflnQb9E6lw

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Post by mike_hearn »

EasyMark wrote: post #122
mike_hearn wrote: post #111

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The activists aren't a part of the company. Facebook outsources fact checking to third parties.

They still control it, and it’s still their right as a corporation. I’m asking where is it wrong or in the US Constitution that says a company has to allow all points of view? That’s a moral call, and I can see people arguing that, but it is not illegal or amoral from the point of the company or those who say free speech/property rights apply to all

Is anyone claiming it's illegal or that the constitution demands that?

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Post by wodenokoto »

jpadkins wrote: post #176
NotAnOtter wrote: post #171

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Zuck Vs Elon on the 2028 presidential ticket would be.... something

Elon was born in Africa and is not eligible to be president.

Zuckerberg vs trump, would also pretty much be Facebook vs x

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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Post by object-a »

It's funny because Facebook's news feed in the last couple years is unusable, filled with AI slop and clickbait. Twitter similarly requires aggressive use of block + mute to eliminate scams, clickbait, and other content I'm not interested in.

I don't know if this is due to their changes in moderation policy, or if AI has overwhelmed them, but I vastly preferred the old news feeds

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Post by preciousoo »

Malidir wrote: post #152

In Pavel's interview with Tucker Carlson, he mentions how he (VK) met with Zuckerberg, and he told them new features they were planning. And Zuck nicked them all. Zuck is on a major PR campaign drive, I would not trust a word he says.

“During their dialogue, both tech leaders probed each other’s intentions for expansion. “I remember him asking me whether we were planning to start something on a global basis, on the global level, go for international expansion. I said no,” Durov recalled.

Zuckerberg similarly denied any plans to target Durov's domestic market, yet both moved to expand their respective reaches shortly after the meeting. “We both ended up doing exactly that in two or three weeks,” Durov noted.”

https://www.benzinga.com/news/24/06/39223122/telegrams-pavel...

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Post by thejazzman »

dimitrios1 wrote: post #169
ryandrake wrote: post #100

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> They were already doing censorship, just for different things - there was never a free for all because that eventually ends up like 4chan which is not advertiser-friendly. If you look at every attempt to create "The Uncensored Free Speech Version Of [ANY_SERVICE]," they all, inevitably turned into a 4chan-like trashfire. You've got to have some kind of moderation.

This is where I really feel my age. Every message board and chatroom (bbs, forums, irc, icq, aol, et all) on the young internet was virtually uncensored and a 100% free for all, yet we all mostly got by. You went to the places you knew to go to. The communities mostly self moderated by kicks/bans. It worked really well. So whats changed? Well, I have my thoughts, but one thing is for sure, as soon as the platform its…

Before literally everyone was aware of the numerous low effort ways to exploit others on the internet

Now the moment a vulnerability is known, be it social or system, it is exploited by many actors.

The moment a new business idea appears to work, it is an overnight saturated market

The internet is now driven by hustlers and monetization all the way down

RIP AOL COMOUSERVE PRODIGY GOLDEN ERA

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Post by indoordin0saur »

ericjmorey wrote: post #18
TMWNN wrote: post #8

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Nonetheless, better late than never for Zuckerberg to admit that he and Facebook erred.

I think the original point was that this wasn't late. It was timed to be influential to the outcome of the election.

It's relevant right now because there's recent increase in the amount of government-directed censorship and propaganda on the social media platforms at the moment. Take a look at Reddit. Look at what's happening in the UK or with the EU threatening to imprison Musk for allowing Trump to be interviewed.

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Post by norir »

purpleblue wrote: post #147
chasd00 wrote: post #46

When the platforms starting censoring during the pandemic and last election cycle I remember saying they better get it right 100% of the time because the moment they get it wrong their credibility is shot. Hear we are. Censorship, beyond what’s required by law, is doomed to fail.

It's only doomed to fail because we have a strong Supreme Court. All the efforts by the Democrats to undermine this will only make things easier for fascists to take over the US.

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Post by woooooo »

norir wrote: post #153
woooooo wrote: post #110

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Fighting spam and porn are a different category from censoring political viewpoonts with 25%+ adoption.

25% is a completely arbitrary number and context dependent. I can guarantee you can find many communities that have majority views that you find abhorrent and would not want to be a part of your community discourse. The problem is that social media gives the illusion of a broad town square where all opinions are heard, but that is not what happened. Everyone on social media is filtered into silos based on what the al…

Yes, it's arbitrary, 20 would also make the same point, 0.1 would not.

If you're saying "we must censor abhorrent viewpoints for the good of society", I'll just counter that your viewpoints are horrible and must be suppressed, while mine are good and must be amplified. For the good of society.

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Post by talldatethrow »

NotAnOtter wrote: post #171
Malidir wrote: post #152

In Pavel's interview with Tucker Carlson, he mentions how he (VK) met with Zuckerberg, and he told them new features they were planning. And Zuck nicked them all. Zuck is on a major PR campaign drive, I would not trust a word he says.

Zuck Vs Elon on the 2028 presidential ticket would be.... something

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