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Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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It is sometimes easy to say in retrospect we shouldn’t have demoted the story. But they did and they trusted the US Administration. Facebook is international. Do they allow all speech even that which could be viewed as propaganda in the US? Who makes the ultimate call on whether it be Russian disinformation or COVID-19? We have tried many different moderation models and not all of them work. If we try the Reddit rout…

I'm not sure if I see what you mean with the Stack Overflow idea. SO is purely a technical site, it's very easy to identify what's ontopic and everything else is offtopic. That doesn't apply to general discussion, never mind stuff like news or politics. How do you imagine that would work?

I was thinking like crowdsourced flagging and a reputation based system where users via reputation could be granted increasingly higher responsibilities as they use the site. People who post negative content would be subjected to negative feedback loops where their content would be progressively demoted, reduced visibility or encounter contribution limits. Moderation logs would become public for transparency purposes. Data could be anonymized and provided via API for research purposes.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

#12

It is sometimes easy to say in retrospect we shouldn’t have demoted the story. But they did and they trusted the US Administration. Facebook is international. Do they allow all speech even that which could be viewed as propaganda in the US? Who makes the ultimate call on whether it be Russian disinformation or COVID-19? We have tried many different moderation models and not all of them work. If we try the Reddit rout…

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Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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Facebook, Instagram, etc. moderating content isn't a free speech issue. They are just glorified bulletin boards. They try to raise everyone's sense of their importance by claiming it to be a free speech issue, but they are awful garbage and the sooner everyone realizes the better for society.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure if I see what you mean with the Stack Overflow idea. SO is purely a technical site, it's very easy to identify what's ontopic and everything else is offtopic. That doesn't apply to general discussion, never mind stuff like news or politics. How do you imagine that would work?

I was thinking like crowdsourced flagging and a reputation based system where users via reputation could be granted increasingly higher responsibilities as they use the site. People who post negative content would be subjected to negative feedback loops where their content would be progressively demoted, reduced visibility or encounter contribution limits. Moderation logs would become public for transparency purposes…

> Data could be anonymized

I fucking doubt it.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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This whole article is really confusing. It sounds like there were two things:

- Covid disinformation

- Some nonsense about Hunter Biden

and they're being conflated. What does Hunter Biden's laptop have to do with preventing Covid disinformation? A disease that was estimated to kill up to 30m people worldwide.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure if I see what you mean with the Stack Overflow idea. SO is purely a technical site, it's very easy to identify what's ontopic and everything else is offtopic. That doesn't apply to general discussion, never mind stuff like news or politics. How do you imagine that would work?

I was thinking like crowdsourced flagging and a reputation based system where users via reputation could be granted increasingly higher responsibilities as they use the site. People who post negative content would be subjected to negative feedback loops where their content would be progressively demoted, reduced visibility or encounter contribution limits. Moderation logs would become public for transparency purposes…

I want something like you described up until you mentioned moderation. There wouldn’t be a need for it. That’s the whole issue with a single decider getting to suppress content that the rest of your solution solved.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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post #15

This whole article is really confusing. It sounds like there were two things: - Covid disinformation - Some nonsense about Hunter Biden and they're being conflated. What does Hunter Biden's laptop have to do with preventing Covid disinformation? A disease that was estimated to kill up to 30m people worldwide.

The US gov pressured social media companies to censor posts about both those topics for political reasons, even though a lot of what was said turned out to be true

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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post #8
post #2

He said it is not political and published it at the end of an election cycle ... Of course it is.

Nonetheless, better late than never for Zuckerberg to admit that he and Facebook erred.

I think the original point was that this wasn't late. It was timed to be influential to the outcome of the election.

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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post #8
post #2

He said it is not political and published it at the end of an election cycle ... Of course it is.

Nonetheless, better late than never for Zuckerberg to admit that he and Facebook erred.

There's just that thing that he forgot to say 'rinse & repeat' at the end of his statement while he's now in the 'rinse' phase. The upcoming election circus will make clear whether he is genuinely regretful or whether he's up to his old tricks. The 'Zuckerbucks' NGO 'Center for Tech and Civic Life' [1] is gearing up again so I suspect the latter to be closer to the truth.

[1] https://mailchi.mp/06871ce9876c/new-campaign-seeks-federal-f...

Re: Zuckerberg claims regret on caving to White House pressure on content

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post #8
post #2

He said it is not political and published it at the end of an election cycle ... Of course it is.

Nonetheless, better late than never for Zuckerberg to admit that he and Facebook erred.

So we hold him to the same standards as an 8 year old that is still learning self control?
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