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Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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I use Hetzner cloud not because it's European, but because it's great.

Same for me with OVH and Scaleway. Way cheaper than AWS and friends, and they just work.

I'm using OVH and the notion of it "just working" is all relative. It's tolerable, but certainly a bit buggy, and with far less services than aws and co. It is also cheap, but given the limitations I doubt they can increase the prices much...

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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STACKIT is the Lidl cloud. Both companies are part of the Schwarz Gruppe. Their offering is here: https://www.stackit.de/en/ You have to be a company to make business with them. You can not just sign up, you have to contact them first. There was a discussion about STACKIT some years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30853778 I do not see anything about Gaia-X on their directly website, only when I search for…

Interesting fact, it seems that their price catalog is a PDF https://www.stackit.de/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/240814_STA... and not the usual price calculator other providers offer

Pricing calculator was easy to find https://www.stackit.de/en/pricing/cloud-services/iaas/stacki...

Menu -> Compute Engine -> Pricing

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Open Telekom Cloud has at least a great part of the functionality you expect when talking about a cloud provider: VMs (even GPU ones), VPCs, managed databases, block storage, Logging, IAM, API Gateway, Container Engine etc. https://www.open-telekom-cloud.com/

I doubt anyone who was ever customer of their detail telecom services would free-willingly use any services from Telekom ever again.

agreed.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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I think their intention is to be an alternative to OEDIV [0] (Oetker* Daten- und Informationsverarbeitung KG), targeting European companies and governments. If you understand German and want to take a look at OEDIV's remarkable datacenter, der8auer posted a video [1] around two years ago giving a tour through their datacenter. Small but high-quality. This is what Schwarz Gruppe is after, though not as closed as OEDIV…

>der8auer

Presumably pronounced derachter?

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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I think their intention is to be an alternative to OEDIV [0] (Oetker* Daten- und Informationsverarbeitung KG), targeting European companies and governments. If you understand German and want to take a look at OEDIV's remarkable datacenter, der8auer posted a video [1] around two years ago giving a tour through their datacenter. Small but high-quality. This is what Schwarz Gruppe is after, though not as closed as OEDIV…

>der8auer Presumably pronounced derachter?

Looks more like he replaced B with 8 (derBauer) Otherwise it would be der8er

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Gaia-X is a disaster. The article misrepresents it. Gaia-X is not a framework for what a European cloud should look like. This would be useful. In beautiful EU bureaucratic style It's a framework for how to talk about how a European Cloud could look like. It's not about technical standards. It's about how we can talk about how we can think of maybe eventually deciding on how we can come up with standards that might o…

I have worked with Deutsche Telekom in the past and I'm convinced that every project that involves them will never get enough traction to beat US companies.

The entitlement and refusal to listen to other people outside their direct org is mindboggling, its like if everyone at that company still thinks they are the hottest shit and they know everything better. Sadly, they are a gatekeeper. Super frustrating partner to work with

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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What difference does that make, if the parent company is in the US and its executives can be physically compelled to send orders to the local operator?

They license the software to run the cloud , they don’t act run it . Basically a white labeled solution for DC software like OpenStack This is not a new idea and is how Azure(or AWS) always operated in China. The Azure Fabric software is licensed to DCs owned and operated by 21vianet a Chinese company. Microsoft has no control over what happens there. No amount of legal[1] US pressure can make Microsoft give access t…

Thanks for explaining. But it sounds like the European version will be less watertight. European customers will be able to “store sensitive data and run critical workloads on AWS infrastructure that is operated and supported by AWS employees located in and residents of the European Union (EU)” [1].

1. https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/in-the-works-aws-european-s...

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Shouldn't underestimate what determined group of people can achieve.

As for feature parity is concerned, AWS was pretty small at the beginning. Just like some 12 years ago. Even VPCs didn't exist at one point and you could scan whole cloud from your VM.

I have yet to see a company fail because the engineering team failed to build, whatever monolith, MEAN, micro services.

It is almost always the product tier that fails to articulate and envision the product and place it on a pedestal where people can immediately and clearly see the value proposition.

I hope that doesn't happen here.

Some good products in this realm would be Hetzner and Scalway for example which is certainly good engineering no doubt but great product management apparently.

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